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CD5Passion · 03-26-2007, 02:25 AM

the fact of the matter is no one anywhere should ever be able to try to pin one's own morals and principles on any other person. Or in this matter, any other culture

Violent Apathy · 03-26-2007, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CD5Passion

the fact of the matter is no one anywhere should ever be able to try to pin one's own morals and principles on any other person. Or in this matter, any other culture

Considering that's been going on for however long humans have been around I don't see it changing anytime soon.

GT40FIED · 03-26-2007, 07:33 AM

Yeah...I gotta go with Victor on that one. People like to push people around. It's just what they do (often). I think the bigger problem is that we're still throwing money and lives into this no-win situation. That, and no one is willing to stand up and say "you know what...we screwed up". We attacked a country that did not provoke us in any way, shape, or form with the basis of our cause being an outright lie. Then we removed a man that was supposedly so wicked that it justified a multi-billion dollar manhunt to bring him. I'm not going to debate that Saddam was a bad guy, but let's face it...Iraq was much better off before he was gone. Dictatorships are pretty much all those people know and democracy won't work for them. Period. So now that we've killed over 150,000 civilians (not counting "insurgents") and not done what we said we'd do, it's time to dump even more money and man power into this? We're also going to have to deal with a whole new generation of fucked up (mentally and physically) veterans that didn't need to end up that way. I know a friend of mine just got home and is seperated from the Army and he's not the same guy anymore. This is AFTER his whole PTSD stuff in Germany. This country is swirling the fucking drain.

V8killimports · 04-09-2007, 11:33 AM

I know.. Hillary is going to kick some ass. My problem is who to vote for.. Hillary, Obama.. and god help me if Gore or Kerry run again. I'll never be able to decide.
Here is al-Qaeda's stated goal:

...includes establishing a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world by working with allied Islamic extremist groups to overthrow regimes it deems “non-Islamic”, and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries.

So if you think this will ever end regardless of Iraq think again. Denying al-Qaeda and other groups from having a foothold on an entire country have it's advantages.

03-26-2007, 02:25 AM	#1
CD5Passion Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, California Age: 39 Posts: 5,446	the fact of the matter is no one anywhere should ever be able to try to pin one's own morals and principles on any other person. Or in this matter, any other culture __________________

03-26-2007, 07:33 AM	#3
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	Yeah...I gotta go with Victor on that one. People like to push people around. It's just what they do (often). I think the bigger problem is that we're still throwing money and lives into this no-win situation. That, and no one is willing to stand up and say "you know what...we screwed up". We attacked a country that did not provoke us in any way, shape, or form with the basis of our cause being an outright lie. Then we removed a man that was supposedly so wicked that it justified a multi-billion dollar manhunt to bring him. I'm not going to debate that Saddam was a bad guy, but let's face it...Iraq was much better off before he was gone. Dictatorships are pretty much all those people know and democracy won't work for them. Period. So now that we've killed over 150,000 civilians (not counting "insurgents") and not done what we said we'd do, it's time to dump even more money and man power into this? We're also going to have to deal with a whole new generation of fucked up (mentally and physically) veterans that didn't need to end up that way. I know a friend of mine just got home and is seperated from the Army and he's not the same guy anymore. This is AFTER his whole PTSD stuff in Germany. This country is swirling the fucking drain. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

04-09-2007, 11:33 AM	#4
V8killimports Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Beale AFB, CA Posts: 1,377	I know.. Hillary is going to kick some ass. My problem is who to vote for.. Hillary, Obama.. and god help me if Gore or Kerry run again. I'll never be able to decide. Here is al-Qaeda's stated goal: ...includes establishing a pan-Islamic Caliphate throughout the world by working with allied Islamic extremist groups to overthrow regimes it deems “non-Islamic”, and expelling Westerners and non-Muslims from Muslim countries. So if you think this will ever end regardless of Iraq think again. Denying al-Qaeda and other groups from having a foothold on an entire country have it's advantages. Last edited by V8killimports : 04-09-2007 at 11:37 AM.

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