Jesus Camp

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by Robert

Steve - you're viewing all of this from your point of view. You are not taking into considerations outside forces.

All the points you've brought up are symptoms of a great issue, you dont believe in God. Since you dont, none of the actions of a believer can been seen as 'normal'. News for you, none of us are 'normal' so I don't see the point in further debate on normal.

I will state it again, I do not approve of all actions carried out in the name of God. However, I do believe in Jesus and I have a relationship with him that you will not understand. That is ok. I would sugguest though that in your anger you do not seek to pass judgement or diminish the views of others.

If you are truly interested in figuring out about God, it doesn't require going to church. You can start by praying. If you simply wish to bash Christians for their believe you are serving no one any good. If this is your motive, to make fun of those who believe, I would ask "What is your problem?" and deal with the answers you come up with.

I don't believe in god? Wow...that's news to me. It's true that I don't believe in your god, but that's a far cry from saying I don't believe in anything at all. I don't believe in a conditional god and I don't believe that god needs or even wants you to pledge your whole life to him/her/it. My ideas about god are probably best summed up by reading THIS

But I digress. The point of this is that there's nothing really christian about these people. So many people in this country are so quick to point out that religions like christianity are religions of peace and that religions like Islam are religions of the sword. Neither case is true, really since religion lies in people and people come from the factory with prejudices and troubles. But dressing your kids up like soldiers, telling them they're in a culture war, and that they're soldiers in god's army...that's pretty fucked.

[CD5Passion]

there are so many religions, and all of them are essentially connected to the same "god". personally i care to beleive what is evidence, evolution, dinosaurs. And I find it hard to trust religions when you have stuff such as the crusades lingering in the shadowed past.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

But I digress. The point of this is that there's nothing really christian about these people. So many people in this country are so quick to point out that religions like christianity are religions of peace and that religions like Islam are religions of the sword. Neither case is true, really since religion lies in people and people come from the factory with prejudices and troubles. But dressing your kids up like soldiers, telling them they're in a culture war, and that they're soldiers in god's army...that's pretty fucked.

Steve there you go with your judging again.

If you read the bible it states those who believe fight a spritiual war against Satan.

The movement of mass amounts of childern, and an increasing number of adults coming to Jesus; is what some believe is one of the signs of the second coming of Christ.

I think it's pointless to argue with you, you're not open minded. Anything said to a different point is shot down because it doesnt fit with your view of the world.

We are at war everyday, society is telling us to chase SMP to make ourselves happy. God tells us this will not bring you enternal happiness. A relationship with him will bring about a more meaningful life. Anyone who goes against the values of society is at war, because we're being force feed the ideas of society through the media and other channels.

So you believe in God, when was the last time you spoke to him/it and heard back from him? Believing there is a God doesn't mean ANYTHING unless you have a relationship with God.

It is true there is only one God of the universe, however all gods worshiped are not the same.

[CD5Passion]

Originally Posted by Robert

So you believe in God, when was the last time you spoke to him/it and heard back from him? Believing there is a God doesn't mean ANYTHING unless you have a relationship with God.

It is true there is only one God of the universe, however all gods worshiped are not the same.

just so you know man, you are starting to sound like a crazy fanatic. Your views on what is "demanded" from "god" is not law. I in no means have a "relationship" with god. But i do beleive that if he is in fact the forgiving being we say he is he will understand that I am truly happy living my life the way I want.

sooo are you saying that if someone worships a god that doesn't seem related to yours, they are wrong?

[Robert]

Originally Posted by CD5Passion

just so you know man, you are starting to sound like a crazy fanatic. Your views on what is "demanded" from "god" is not law. I in no means have a "relationship" with god. But i do beleive that if he is in fact the forgiving being we say he is he will understand that I am truly happy living my life the way I want.

sooo are you saying that if someone worships a god that doesn't seem related to yours, they are wrong?

You obviously don't understand the term fanatic, since you've so clearly miss used it. If you want to understand God better, read the new testiment. Nothing I've said is radical or even out there.

Since there can only be one God of the universe that rules over everything, by definition there cannot be multiples. I will leave it up to you to figure out what is right and what is wrong.

[CD5Passion]

Originally Posted by Robert

You obviously don't understand the term fanatic, since you've so clearly miss used it. If you want to understand God better, read the new testiment. Nothing I've said is radical or even out there.

Since there can only be one God of the universe that rules over everything, by definition there cannot be multiples. I will leave it up to you to figure out what is right and what is wrong.

there is no right and there is no wrong it's all basically the same