Honda FCX

[Robert]

So it only gets 60mpg at best, and when you measure the energy required to make that one kg it drops back down.

It takes 6 times more energy to go a mile in hydrogen then it does with an electric car.

japs is not ment racial, you are hyper sensative. It's just short for a word I have trouble spelling in full.

[CD5Passion]

Originally Posted by Robert

So it only gets 60mpg at best, and when you measure the energy required to make that one kg it drops back down.

It takes 6 times more energy to go a mile in hydrogen then it does with an electric car.

japs is not ment racial, you are hyper sensative. It's just short for a word I have trouble spelling in full.

ok so it makes 60mpg...the main reason for hydrogen energy being used is that the exhaust is nothing more than water vapor. it's non pollutant and it's easy to come by hydrogen. remember most of the earth is covered in water.

and...

man are you clueless.

Jap (variants: Japo, Japse) is a term denoting anything Japanese. In most English-speaking countries, it is accepted that it is a derogatory racial slur similar to the term nigger when referring to dark skinned people. ...
In Japanese dictionaries, the term "Jap" is only defined as a disparaging term used against the Japanese people, like it is the case in many English language dictionaries.

I'm sure if I was black I wouldn't want to be called a nigger.

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by CD5Passion

ok so it makes 60mpg...the main reason for hydrogen energy being used is that the exhaust is nothing more than water vapor. it's non pollutant and it's easy to come by hydrogen. remember most of the earth is covered in water.

This is true...but eletric cars have 0 emissions, not even water. And while it's true that 70% of the earth is covered in water, that becomes pretty irrelevent when you consider the energy required to extract the hydrogen from water. Not to mention that hydrogen is incredibly volitile.

That said, I don't like the current eletric car technology. That Tesla is certainly an improvement in terms of distance on one charge, but until a big name auto manufacturer gets on board no one will buy them. Mostly because that's the only way things like service will become widely available. I mean...the closest Tesla service center to me is in Chicago. You think I wanna have my car towed to Chicago if something goes wrong? Besides, when it comes to fuel saving tech, the Europeans will always beat us to it. I'll become more optimistic when there's a ton of electric cars on Europe's streets.

[CD5Passion]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

This is true...but eletric cars have 0 emissions, not even water. And while it's true that 70% of the earth is covered in water, that becomes pretty irrelevent when you consider the energy required to extract the hydrogen from water. Not to mention that hydrogen is incredibly volitile.

That said, I don't like the current eletric car technology. That Tesla is certainly an improvement in terms of distance on one charge, but until a big name auto manufacturer gets on board no one will buy them. Mostly because that's the only way things like service will become widely available. I mean...the closest Tesla service center to me is in Chicago. You think I wanna have my car towed to Chicago if something goes wrong? Besides, when it comes to fuel saving tech, the Europeans will always beat us to it. I'll become more optimistic when there's a ton of electric cars on Europe's streets.

true true, it probably just takes the kind of person. I'm really into small cars, and I'm a huge fan of SMart cars. btw i just took a look at the Tesla, and that thing is sexy.

how volitile would the hydrogen be though? you would think they wouldn't put a platform on a bomb....of course gasoline isn't exactly risk-free

[GT40FIED]

Well really man...there are a lot of people out there like you and me. I'd absolutely drive an electric car if they could make one that looked and (most importantly) drove like a conventional car. The problem is that a lot of people won't buy these cars simply because they aren't generally available. Without a lot of people owning them, they almost become a niche product.

And how volitile is hydrogen? Well...they built a bomb around it. I'm sure the principle is pretty different, but it's still incredibly flamable in liquid/gas form.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

Well really man...there are a lot of people out there like you and me. I'd absolutely drive an electric car if they could make one that looked and (most importantly) drove like a conventional car. The problem is that a lot of people won't buy these cars simply because they aren't generally available. Without a lot of people owning them, they almost become a niche product.

And how volitile is hydrogen? Well...they built a bomb around it. I'm sure the principle is pretty different, but it's still incredibly flamable in liquid/gas form.

THey say right now what holds electric cars back are teh batteries. We've held onto the same battery technology in many cases for 30-40+ years. The increase in storage and ability to rapid charge could see the electric car become more possible.

Service, there is little service required unless something breaks. According to the GM service guide, every 5000miles for a tire check and rotate. You could have the breaks done anywhere.

Personally I'm looking at getting a tesla. The 1 year wait time has me concerned though, alot can change in one year. However I know I dont drive more then 200 miles/day on average when I'm driving around town so that is alot better then the 120 miles you could go in the GM electric car and those had waiting lists for them.

Starting a new car company is risky, but with the technology shift it might be wise for all manufacters to develope alternative fuel cars under different brands. It will protect oil burning cars from becoming 'dirty' compaired to electric/hydrogen.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by CD5Passion

true true, it probably just takes the kind of person. I'm really into small cars, and I'm a huge fan of SMart cars. btw i just took a look at the Tesla, and that thing is sexy.

how volitile would the hydrogen be though? you would think they wouldn't put a platform on a bomb....of course gasoline isn't exactly risk-free

The smart car company has an interesting concept, the problem is they make no money. Actually they are running at a lose and seeking to be bought out. Merc is looking to unload them.

How dangerous is hydrogen? If you were rear ended with a full take it would explode like a bomb. A full tank in a car would more then level a home. Steve is right, hydrogen bomb.

[CD5Passion]

Originally Posted by Robert

The smart car company has an interesting concept, the problem is they make no money. Actually they are running at a lose and seeking to be bought out. Merc is looking to unload them.

How dangerous is hydrogen? If you were rear ended with a full take it would explode like a bomb. A full tank in a car would more then level a home. Steve is right, hydrogen bomb.

do you have a reference when you say they don't make money? because SMart is supposed to be a fairly popular company in europe. not to mention that SMart, which stands for Swatch-Mercedes Art, is the brain child of Swatch products and Mercedes-Benz. Needless to say Mercedes makes a damn good amount of flow.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by CD5Passion

do you have a reference when you say they don't make money? because SMart is supposed to be a fairly popular company in europe. not to mention that SMart, which stands for Swatch-Mercedes Art, is the brain child of Swatch products and Mercedes-Benz. Needless to say Mercedes makes a damn good amount of flow.

I dont have any documentation for this. However a friend of mine worls for mercedes was explaining their situation. They lose money in the making of the cars, they have such 'green' practices that for example there is no A/C in the building. So when it gets over 100f they either pay extra or shut the factory down.

He explained to me the lose about 15-20% on each car. They are attempting to correct the problem but it hasn't happen.

This is why for example in Canada there is only one version of the car available. They have decided not to roll the others out and focus on one vehicle.

This source has given me very good information prioviously so I deam it accurate. Side note VW is in major trouble in the US.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by CD5Passion

I'm sure if I was black I wouldn't want to be called a nigger.

I respectfully disagree. I dont get worked up with people call me a canuk. So take a seat buddy.

[CD5Passion]

Originally Posted by Robert

I respectfully disagree. I dont get worked up with people call me a canuk. So take a seat buddy.

it depends on the conditioning of the individual, and to me it is a word that offends me and my heritage. I would respect your wishes if you asked me not to call you a roundeye or something in that nature, I just ask for you to do the same and respect me.

and in any case, go find a black guy you don't know and call him a nigger and see what happens to you. Or go find a jewish man and call him a jew, go find a hispanic individual and call him a spic. I don't know how canada works but I promise you that here in the US you probably would end up with at least a broken face.