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*ChrisCantSkate* · 10-14-2006, 01:37 PM

this deals with carrying out or planning military acts on the USA. i think that if your a citizen and do partake in anything falling under this bill it would be considered treason or espionage...

im not saying i like the "nothing to hide" philosophy, if anything im very against it, but c'mon

GT40FIED · 10-14-2006, 05:11 PM

Well...not exactly. I mean it says right in the thing that you just need to be part of or associated with an organization we've deemed to be hostile. It's a good idea on paper, but that also means potentially arresting people who haven't done anything. Not that I'm saying we should just sit around and wait until someone undertakes a hostile act to lock them up, but there should be some sort of system of checks and balances to make sure we've acted properly. Also, with our track record of misidentifying people we run a pretty significant risk of throwing the wrong person in jail. Since a lot of muslim names are fairly common do we really want to lock up some guy who hasn't done anything? I mean...sure, it might come out at trial, but he may never have a trial since this bill eliminates your right to a speedy trial.

10-14-2006, 01:37 PM	#1
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 41 Posts: 9,662	this deals with carrying out or planning military acts on the USA. i think that if your a citizen and do partake in anything falling under this bill it would be considered treason or espionage... im not saying i like the "nothing to hide" philosophy, if anything im very against it, but c'mon __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

10-14-2006, 05:11 PM	#2
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 44 Posts: 7,451	Well...not exactly. I mean it says right in the thing that you just need to be part of or associated with an organization we've deemed to be hostile. It's a good idea on paper, but that also means potentially arresting people who haven't done anything. Not that I'm saying we should just sit around and wait until someone undertakes a hostile act to lock them up, but there should be some sort of system of checks and balances to make sure we've acted properly. Also, with our track record of misidentifying people we run a pretty significant risk of throwing the wrong person in jail. Since a lot of muslim names are fairly common do we really want to lock up some guy who hasn't done anything? I mean...sure, it might come out at trial, but he may never have a trial since this bill eliminates your right to a speedy trial. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

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