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*AzCivic* · 10-11-2006, 08:56 PM

lol, dumb it down? your logic makes absolutely no damn sense yet you accuse me of not understanding. I guess if you keep writing it out eventually you and other weak minded individuals will believe it. The inclusive term alien EXCLUDES us citizens. A womens gym(restroom, etc) EXCLUDES men. The dean's list includes those w/ the proper GPA but EXLUDES those who don't. A singles group EXCLUDES married couples. Once again you latch onto some wording that you don't like and pretend that it could mean anything you want it to. Do you have to see a sign on a women's restroom that says "Women's Restroom, this means no men" for it to get through to you? Or are you smart enough to figure out that "Women's restroom" means only women. Like the term Alien means only those who are not US citizens. Face it, it's there in black and white for you to read so stop making shit up.

Once again you profess to have some great understanding of a subject I'm sure you know NOTHING about but have only gleaned any pathetic bs you can from whining liberal websites. If it was not effective than why the hell do it?!? For shits and giggles?? What would be a better way to get info from someone? Set them up at the Ritz and grant any wish they have? Really I'd like to hear your ideas on how to get info from suspected terrorists.

GT40FIED · 10-11-2006, 10:31 PM

Sure...because things like singles groups and dean's lists are equally as complex as senate bills, right? I mean really...you can't simplify everyday things and try to relate them to bureacratic bullshit like congress.

I'm quite sure I'm not really professing anything...except maybe that the notion we should torture folks is wrong. And what the hell is it with you and the straw man argument? "What would be a better way to get info from someone? Set them up at the Ritz and grant any wish they have?". Of course not. Don't throw out retarded ideas like that knowing full well no one is suggesting that. That is the essence of a straw man agrument. I'd actually consider torturing people if there were some sort of criteria, liability, or if there was a chance of getting a significant amount of credible intelligence. There's only one reason why anyone would make something like this a big secret...so no one gets blamed when they fuck up and either kill someone "accidentally" or when they torture the wrong person. "But Steve, there's a chance one of them might give up something credible so we have to torture all of them!!!!". Right...and if Bush died tomorrow we might have a chance at getting this country back on track. Neither is going to happen so what's the point?

10-11-2006, 10:31 PM	#2
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	Sure...because things like singles groups and dean's lists are equally as complex as senate bills, right? I mean really...you can't simplify everyday things and try to relate them to bureacratic bullshit like congress. I'm quite sure I'm not really professing anything...except maybe that the notion we should torture folks is wrong. And what the hell is it with you and the straw man argument? "What would be a better way to get info from someone? Set them up at the Ritz and grant any wish they have?". Of course not. Don't throw out retarded ideas like that knowing full well no one is suggesting that. That is the essence of a straw man agrument. I'd actually consider torturing people if there were some sort of criteria, liability, or if there was a chance of getting a significant amount of credible intelligence. There's only one reason why anyone would make something like this a big secret...so no one gets blamed when they fuck up and either kill someone "accidentally" or when they torture the wrong person. "But Steve, there's a chance one of them might give up something credible so we have to torture all of them!!!!". Right...and if Bush died tomorrow we might have a chance at getting this country back on track. Neither is going to happen so what's the point? __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

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10-11-2006, 08:56 PM	#1
AzCivic Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Az Age: 44 Posts: 3,804	lol, dumb it down? your logic makes absolutely no damn sense yet you accuse me of not understanding. I guess if you keep writing it out eventually you and other weak minded individuals will believe it. The inclusive term alien EXCLUDES us citizens. A womens gym(restroom, etc) EXCLUDES men. The dean's list includes those w/ the proper GPA but EXLUDES those who don't. A singles group EXCLUDES married couples. Once again you latch onto some wording that you don't like and pretend that it could mean anything you want it to. Do you have to see a sign on a women's restroom that says "Women's Restroom, this means no men" for it to get through to you? Or are you smart enough to figure out that "Women's restroom" means only women. Like the term Alien means only those who are not US citizens. Face it, it's there in black and white for you to read so stop making shit up. Once again you profess to have some great understanding of a subject I'm sure you know NOTHING about but have only gleaned any pathetic bs you can from whining liberal websites. If it was not effective than why the hell do it?!? For shits and giggles?? What would be a better way to get info from someone? Set them up at the Ritz and grant any wish they have? Really I'd like to hear your ideas on how to get info from suspected terrorists.