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Robert · 10-06-2006, 03:39 PM

It's not one party based, its the entire government system now. Rebulicans or democrats; same shit.

I agree Steve, people dont seem to mind being watch/listened too. It would be amazing if an inoccent person was framed with editted voice clips of phone coversation recorded by a new wiretape. Then with the new legals in place that person would never have to see the public court and be locked up.

Seems to me that we're headed for something very different then first meets the eye with these new legals.

No one must ask. HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING?

GT40FIED · 10-06-2006, 06:02 PM

Now that...is the right question. The problem is that most Americans don't pay enough attention to what their own government is doing to know and if they did know they couldn't begin to grasp how to act. They see the government as this massive entity that can't really be challenged without years of red tape. The funny thing is that it really only takes a large group of people making enough noise to get things done. The problem is that now, with this new bill signed into law, any members of a large group calling for governmental change could be "disappeared" without a trial, counsel, charges, etc. for an indefinite period of time. It's really a genius way to legitimize scaring people into keeping quiet. Just think about the next whistleblower who leaks a document unfavorable to the government. They'll claim it's a matter of national security and that the person who leaked it is an unlawful enemy combatant. No doubt Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are all hanging out in hell and kicking themselves for not thinking of this first.

10-06-2006, 06:02 PM	#2
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	Now that...is the right question. The problem is that most Americans don't pay enough attention to what their own government is doing to know and if they did know they couldn't begin to grasp how to act. They see the government as this massive entity that can't really be challenged without years of red tape. The funny thing is that it really only takes a large group of people making enough noise to get things done. The problem is that now, with this new bill signed into law, any members of a large group calling for governmental change could be "disappeared" without a trial, counsel, charges, etc. for an indefinite period of time. It's really a genius way to legitimize scaring people into keeping quiet. Just think about the next whistleblower who leaks a document unfavorable to the government. They'll claim it's a matter of national security and that the person who leaked it is an unlawful enemy combatant. No doubt Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are all hanging out in hell and kicking themselves for not thinking of this first. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

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10-06-2006, 03:39 PM	#1
Robert R-Tard Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 612	It's not one party based, its the entire government system now. Rebulicans or democrats; same shit. I agree Steve, people dont seem to mind being watch/listened too. It would be amazing if an inoccent person was framed with editted voice clips of phone coversation recorded by a new wiretape. Then with the new legals in place that person would never have to see the public court and be locked up. Seems to me that we're headed for something very different then first meets the eye with these new legals. No one must ask. HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING?