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Robert · 08-31-2006, 05:02 PM

That is not the correct quote.

B Franklian said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Source http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin

More over though I think the reality is things are changing, peoples values are watered down and we've being forced into excepting things unlike in times past.

If you look at the amount of things like same sex marriages, removal of religion from schools and other things along these lines. More has changed in the last 50-60 years then in the 200 years before that.

GT40FIED · 08-31-2006, 05:21 PM

Yeah...I always screw that quote up. I've seen it quoted so many ways that I forget the original. Thanks for the correction.

The way I see it, any given society has to evolve. If it's not evolving, it's standing still which is, within this context, moving backward. We've had a lot of societal changes in the past 50-60 years like the ones you listed, but I think in the last 20 or 30 years it's sort of snowballed. Whenever change happens at such a rapid pace there will always be a group of people who react against it and I think that's what we're seeing now. That in and of itself seems pretty normal, but I think the problem now becomes the fact that some people in power would use the momentum of these changes and consequential reactions to further their own agenda in a less than ethical fashion. For example, America is just now being acquainted with terrorism and in quite a rapid fashion. While people scramble to adjust, some people in power are trying to use the confusion and natural fear to push revocation of civil liberties and things of that nature by exploiting that fear. The problem is that, unlike in the movie, we have no V.

08-31-2006, 05:21 PM	#2
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	Yeah...I always screw that quote up. I've seen it quoted so many ways that I forget the original. Thanks for the correction. The way I see it, any given society has to evolve. If it's not evolving, it's standing still which is, within this context, moving backward. We've had a lot of societal changes in the past 50-60 years like the ones you listed, but I think in the last 20 or 30 years it's sort of snowballed. Whenever change happens at such a rapid pace there will always be a group of people who react against it and I think that's what we're seeing now. That in and of itself seems pretty normal, but I think the problem now becomes the fact that some people in power would use the momentum of these changes and consequential reactions to further their own agenda in a less than ethical fashion. For example, America is just now being acquainted with terrorism and in quite a rapid fashion. While people scramble to adjust, some people in power are trying to use the confusion and natural fear to push revocation of civil liberties and things of that nature by exploiting that fear. The problem is that, unlike in the movie, we have no V. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

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08-31-2006, 05:02 PM	#1
Robert R-Tard Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 612	That is not the correct quote. B Franklian said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety" Source http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin More over though I think the reality is things are changing, peoples values are watered down and we've being forced into excepting things unlike in times past. If you look at the amount of things like same sex marriages, removal of religion from schools and other things along these lines. More has changed in the last 50-60 years then in the 200 years before that.