I'm gonna bottom line this whole immigration thing

[ChrisCantSkate]

steve everything was an overgeneralization.... sure it might apply to over 50% or under.. but its deffinitally not 100%. the truth is we cannot keep people out. whats stopping someone from coming here on "vacation" then never leaving? nothing except they have to have a passport instead of sneaking in. we're never going to load 10,000 people up and ship them back to their country who are aleady living here.. just not gonna happen.

they do take jobs, but because we need to survive as an economy and society the jobs would be filled by americans. you cant say they do jobs that other americans wont do because if every worker was legitament and their employer had to compete then the wages would rise because your not going to pick fruit for 6.50/hr when you are just as qualified to make 6.50/hr sitting on your ass at a conveniece store or as another min. wage job. then the only way you can get someone to work in "the fields" would be to pay them a comprable wage to what the job requires. i was amazed at how much money a garbage worker makes here in orlando. starting at around 60k a year from one of the companys that the city contracts out to do the trash. now this is because we have essentially one man per truck, instead of 3 or 4 like i remeber from years ago(pay one man 60k instead of 4 25k, you save 40k). but still, its a unskilled job essentially with on the job training on how to use the truck(its got a robot arm type thing on it to pick up trash). its a job that since its city contracted it cant be shady. and since people wouldnt pick up trash for a low salery they got better jobs, so they figured out a way to get the service done, pay an american a comprable wage(i thought it was very high,but its an example) to the job they are doing and wa-la one of the "unwanted jobs" is filled.

we're always going to let people in, we might very strictly inforce our boarders, but heres the plan as i herd it: we are using military now, 10,000 troops is what i think i herd, then as technology can catch up and be installed we are going to drastically cut the number of troops but use cameras; infared and motion detection to monitor large areas instead of having a watch tower every 100yards with a spotlight or whatever the plan is with the troops. now that forces people to come through at checkpoints, where we can then decide who comes and who dosnt.

as for the US being hostile towrds immigrants, we're hostile towrds everyone. thats who we are as a nation and whoever has the finger pointed at them at that time, its "our" tradition to jump on the bandwagon. name me one instance where thats wrong.

i liked the idea i read a few posts up about giving people on welfare jobs before new illigal immegrants. now immegrants still pay taxes on their wages since they get illegal papers to seem like they can work. the owners of the business usually know and since they are low-ballin them they dont really ask questions since they are techniqually covered. these immegrants dont do their taxes since its all false papers and end up overpaying to the gov most the time in not getting a refund check.

we would grow much better if we just kept our job market competitive on all levels, when they can get away with not paying illegal workers what they deserve then we have no reason to try and better the situation to lower costs when they are acceptable now with the current situation