D series Power

Originally posted by AzCivic
if your z6 topped out at 110 in third then you dont have a z6 tranny or you have really big wheels, since a z6 tranny tops out at 90mph in 3rd. i dont know what tracks you've been to but the ones here in az dont correct for altitude, people always go up to phoenix which is about 1000ft lower just to get better times.

why do you keep saying a dyno isnt gonna tell you what the car is capagle of running? anybody with common sense knows that peak #'s dont tell crap, thats why they look at the whole chart.

have you seen a n/a b16 race a boosted 160hp d civic? the boosted d civic wins everytime.

so did these two cars make the same power? if so how do u know? How much boost? I think u are really guessing the power output here between your n/a B16, and your turbo D. I think that u are guessing the power output here, but u dont really know.
I initially had a JDM spec D15B8 tranny which topped out 130 MPH in third gear. The Z6 on my car topped at 110 MPH with 195/50/15's. So u tell me. As far as a your turbo D and all motor B16 well. The question is are they making the same HP? Ok let me simplify it. lets say u have two cars. A turbo B18C5 making 230 WHP. Versus an all motor B18C5 making exactly 230 WHP also. Like I said for some reason the all-motor car always wins (given that the other factors are constant, drivers, etc's, and things like that). I think its the smoother, power curve, or possibly the turbo car just makes too much torque to properly handle down the track. I cant really explain it but a all-motor car HP is just "stronger". For some strange reason.
Lets put it this way. I dont believe a 200 WHP turbo D with a stock suspension with slicks will run a low 12. I can see possibly a high 12 if hes lucky. No more.
The dyno doesnt tell how fast your car is. There are other factors involved here. Well lets look at a little factor here. The H22 sits very far forward in the Civic chassis. That makes it good for straigh line traction, but not so good for cornering. Basically it gives the H22 in a Civic a bit of advantage out of the hole than the D series Civic. Thats just one factor. Like I have said before, a dyno is good bragging rights, and a good way to tune your car, but it is not a good representation of how fast the car will be. Sure u can look at the graph, and the power curves, but u cant tell me that if two graphs are very similar and say on the graph the power curves cross each other at several periods and eventually end up at exactly the same WHP that one car will win over the other. Sure u can tell if one car makes a ton more power than say another engine. Bottom line is the ET's is what matters. U can come up with dyno graphs all day but it just doesnt mean much until u get it to the track.