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10-25-2003, 11:22 PM
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i can sell you a B16A2 (no tranny no ECU no Axel) for $900
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10-30-2003, 09:22 AM
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guys what do you think about a custom turbo setup compare to turbo kits?
maybe a T25 turbo? which car actually is this turbo from? then a vortec FMU for the fuel.. maybe a 12:1? MSD for the ignition retard under boost... intercooler, pipes... what else is needed? |
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10-30-2003, 10:04 AM
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every kit has a downside-
some have bad piping some have bad fuel management some have bad turbos some arent nearly as complete as they should be (ie greddy and their damn lack of an ic...thats always puzzled me) with a custom kit you put it all together yourself, picking out only good things, so techinically, its better in both ways of quality and price (generally) |
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10-30-2003, 03:01 PM
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The most popular ones where the T25 came from are from older Nissan 200SX and I think 2nd gen DSM eclipse/talon turbos. Vortech FMU are cool but the N/A to boost transition sux. Like Pdogg said, there are pros/cons on each. If this is your first turbo set-up, I say get a kit and learn from it. Most kits are dyno tested. Plus, it is really hard to answer that question anyway, since each kit has its own limitaton. You have to consider factors like: HP goals, streetability, street legality, internal build-up, boost level, etc.... peace
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10-30-2003, 03:45 PM
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that reminds me
I recently heard from edelbrocks sponsored civic that there was a serious malfunction causing the boost to hit 20psi...the engine blew and thats the end of the story theyre working on the problem, but those that already bought the kit apparently have to buy the new parts...theyre not free...which is complete ass (only telling what i heard...it might not be true (on the parts at least)...read up yourselves if youre interested) |
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11-01-2003, 09:06 AM
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yup "thermalfi'd16 " this is my 1st turbo set-up...
and i'm trying to get a lot of information before i started doing it.. i don't wanna do it half way down then problem came... just wanna do it rite... i think it's better to learn from people's experience than experiencin it myself... How much can the T25 goes? by means of hp? are they ball bearing? i think some oem car got ball bearing turbo in it.. |
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11-01-2003, 04:40 PM
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older subaru legacy wagons have ihi turbos so do ford probes... those are water cooled... not possitive that they're ball-bearing one's but i'm pretty sure.
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11-01-2003, 09:05 PM
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I think they are mostly journal sealed bearing. A T25 turbo peak boost can go between 10-16 psi depending on the trim. I'm sure that it will be a great SOHC turbo cuz of its quick spool set-up. A TD04 or TD05 will suffice as well..... |
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11-02-2003, 02:05 AM
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a TD04 with a A/R of .60
it that ideal for soch vtec engine? it's from mitsubishi rite? the T25 from the nissan 200sx will give out how many hp at its best? 200hp?250hp? i know a small turbo will spool up fast but will it be running full boost till redline for a soch vtec engine? |
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11-06-2003, 11:01 PM
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Sport Compact Car just did an install of the Edelbrok Kit. It blew up the engine. The "comeplete" kit came with a bad blow off valve or something. Supposed to be only 6 psi, instead it put out around 20 for about 2 seconds then boom
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11-07-2003, 07:34 AM
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sorry for those guys that bought those kits!
i'm planning to do my own custom kit... i'll list down the parts that i know i need.. hope i won't left out any.. 1.Garrett T28 turbo from Nissan 2.Sard blow off valve 3.check valves 4.vortech FMU 5.MSD ignition system(do i need the Retard system too?) 6.All those neccessary pipes 7.boost meter, A/F meter,Oil Prssure meter, EGT meter (what else meter do i need?) 8.Apexi AVC-R to control the boost i plan to run the system at 7-10psi but i know the oem Nissan turbo ie giving out more than that.. maybe it's at 13psi or so.. then can i use the AVC-R to lower it? thanks guys |
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11-07-2003, 09:55 PM
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i'm pretty sure the TD04 is very much ideal for a sohc vtec...greddy does offer if for their turbo kits for the civics... and im pretty sure that its from mitsubishi
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11-07-2003, 11:25 PM
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2) 3) Make your own. Go to my website 4) Get a 12:1 disc 5)MSD 6BTM is my recommendation. It's ability to retard boost is simply helpful when it comes to tuning your timing 6) 7) Add a fuel pressure gauge 8) AVC-R can get really complicated. GReddy profecB is the most user-friendly of all Boost controllers will only raise boost from the initial wastegate set-point. So, if your wastegate is set at 13, the boost controller is useless unless you lower that initial spring/diaphragm tension. On internal wastegate, it could be a painful task. On exteranl wastegate, all you have to do is change the spring tension. |
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11-07-2003, 11:33 PM
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It was the wastegate that malfunctioned |
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11-10-2003, 10:11 PM
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the T25 turbo wastegated at 14psi..
do you think stock internals can handle this boost? how much boost can stock intenal handle max? is there any mean i can increase the rod of the wastegate so it can open earlier? this is just my thought... or maybe i had to go for another turbo with lower boost wastegate? |
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11-10-2003, 11:31 PM
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get a turbo that's NOT internally wastgated... then use an aftermarket external... they're MUCH more precise.. and you can buy different springs to change how much it allows the turbo to spool... Oh and they are adjustable +/- a couple of pounds with a simple twist of the top of it.. (some maybe not all)...
I know that the porsche 944's were not internally wastegated... probobly more...
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11-11-2003, 08:39 PM
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ive thought of increasing the length of the rod.
in this way, the wastegate will opens earlier which means i have a lower boost pressure. then i'll get a boost controller to increase the boost when needed... BTW, how much boost can stock internal handles b4 it got ka boom.. |
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11-11-2003, 09:27 PM
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if tuning is done properly, the internals will take 200 wheel HP easily.
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11-11-2003, 10:15 PM
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lengthening the rod will only make it stuck open all the time... not make it open earlier... the only way to get it to open earlier would be to change the spring in the wastegate (don't think it's possible to do so on most stock ones)... you sometimes can find another stock wastegate with a lower boost setting, that will fit the other turbo... Other than that you'd have to somehow produce extra boost to feed the vacum line going to the wastegate.
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11-12-2003, 02:02 AM
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I wouldnt boost more than 8 psi on stock D-series internal without upgraded fuel system components. If you tamper with that internal wasgate rod, it will also prematurely divert flow away from the turbine which will cause "lag". The gate will be open all the time as mentioned....
You can still use an external wastegate with turbos that came off from other cars. You have to jam the gate shut by getting it welded in or find a way to plug it. Then just remove all the internal wastegate components off. You will have to get your turbo manifold modified for an external wastegate. Peace! |
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11-12-2003, 10:48 PM
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I don't recomend getting an internal wastegated turbo if you PLAN on using an external... even when they're welded shut the tunnel that leads to them acts like a reversion chamber and F's up the flow of the exhaust gases...
Poor flow is the enemy of turbo efficiency. It's certainly not the biggest deal in the world... but if you PLAN on using an external I'd get a non-wastegated turbo.
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