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03-21-2003, 01:16 PM
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War always brings economic growth..  I hope it stays this way.. My 401K has gone to the pooper lately.:o
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03-21-2003, 01:16 PM
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03-21-2003, 01:17 PM
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 Actually stocks all over the world (for the most part) have been on the rise.
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03-21-2003, 01:17 PM
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03-21-2003, 01:18 PM
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Well, nothing like a war to stimulate the economy.
Ya know, it was WW2 that brought our country outta the depression. |
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03-21-2003, 01:32 PM
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That's EXACTLY my point. There is ALWAYS a chance to redeem yourself. Gov. is corrupted by money and greed MOST of the time ... and unfortunately there is no real way to fix that, and I don't necessarily believe in one world gov. but i DO believe that if we really invested a little more faith in things like the UN, treaties, truces... MAYBE we'd get somewhere. one thing is for sure. WAR only perpetuates itself. unfortunately SOMETIMES its needed. see its hard to keep on track.. i guess its like this.. if there was a "perfect world" to me.. it would be a strong UN.. and more diplomacy. and FEWER wars as stated you can NEVER avoid war completely... i think that the biggest problem with us is our corruption. our willingness to agree to something like the Geneva convention, and THEN use torture after we agree not to. To me chemical and biological warfare is the same ... they agree not to do it then do it anyway. well we are hypocrites to be angered by that, since we are equally guilty... Sadam WILL be dethroned..(probably) and his followers will go into hiding.. and rise up again. There is ONLY one way to fix the drama. and that is to eliminate the problems. And stop the hate. how can you tech nations to get along by bombing there buildings ... how can you teach that killing is wrong by killing. YOU CAN'T we NEED to sit and talk to these people. as absurd as that sounds... TALKING does not kill people ... there was a time when we thought a final super war with Russia was UNAVOIDABLE ... that time has passed. if we as a race wish to survive, the same needs to happen in the middle east, and all over the world. The WORLD needs to stand against him, NOT one nation. |
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03-21-2003, 01:35 PM
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maybe if they made less ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLAR BOMBS and invested that cash into the country in POSITIVE things (economy, health care, schools, etc...) we wouldn't be so bad off
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03-21-2003, 01:39 PM
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If the world needs to stand against Saddam but wont, somebody has to lead by example - us. But what the rest of what your saying is clear to me. One thing i cannot agree with is a strong UN. The UN maybe a world organization, but the UN does not have the best intrests of AMERICANS at hand. If the UN were to be strong, the nations in it would have to have similar governments who understand eachother by functioning in a similar economical manner. |
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03-21-2003, 01:41 PM
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there will never be a perfect world....gota live knowing that....
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03-21-2003, 01:45 PM
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This is why it is a good idea to eliminate a potential problem like iraq. It is absurd to think that Saddam is not going to continue to grow in power like Hitler did - to deny this is ridiculous. |
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03-21-2003, 01:46 PM
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03-21-2003, 01:51 PM
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the only thing with that is, who do you look out for? the world or for america? the UN is looking out for the best interests of the world, not america. you must draw the line between world peace and best interest for america, because honestly, everyone cannot get along and be the best. we all want to be the best, and there can only be one best, and if it is done competitivly then the loser will not be happy. through diplomacy and compramise only then can everyone even attempt to get along.
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03-21-2003, 02:22 PM
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I haven't read everything in this thread but I can imagine the topics going back and forth. I've been sitting in front of the television forever now...I've seen and heard everything. I never wanna see innocent people getting killed, but I can't sit here and try to say this war isn't needed. I feel everything is going as planned and hopefully it'll be done soon. We can't let him gain any more power then he already has, so he either needed to leave like we wanted or be forced out by death or whatever else. This is the only way the Iraqi people will ever be free...there's so many living in fear of Sadaam and the more we tear through there hopefully the quicker they'll realize to surrender and be unharmed and start living for the future of their country instead of the present for there so-called leader.....
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03-22-2003, 09:03 AM
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so when a nation does not get its way then its a good idea to wage war??? that IS what you are saying isn't it??? lol COMPRAMISE, is key.. we will not always get our way, but hey thats life.. thats the WHOLE reason i believe in a strong UN, because it is comprised of ALL nations.. SSSSOOOOOOO it is a collective view, NOT a narrow minded muslim view, not a narrow minded western view, not a german view... its a COLLECTIVE view.. and that is closer to peace than anything else. |
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03-22-2003, 10:19 AM
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First off... the UN isn't looking out for anyone... if you think it's a cohesive organization that has common interests your wrong.... every person in the UN is out to protect there OWN interests.
The war sucks and I wouldn't have done it myself... I hate bush but I can honestly say that I have NEVER been happier to have a retarded-cowboy-monkey in the white house... Bush may be a dumbass but at least he does what HE think is right regardless of opinions about him... that's a good leader. The fault of having a retard like him in the white house is SOLELY OUR fault. Now that he's there he's doing what we ALL should have expected. Saddam is a F*ck... he's a dick his own people don't like him and the only reason we couldn't get support for the war through the UN is because EVERYONE new that bush was going to do this REGARDLESS of what ANYONE said.... so they took the simple way out... playcate the people of there countries by pretending they are against it.... It's just not the case.... the only countries who are LEGITAMALY against war with Iraq are those who have vested interest in either the maintanance of the Saddam regime or the protection closed door deals they don't want you to know about. France Germany and Russia are the ONLY countries who really don't want this to happen and they all have the same reasons.... OIL, ARMS DEALS, and other back door Schenanagens (sp). France has uncollected rights to drill iraqi oil... they want it... and bad... there are also rumors that France (a country which produced depleted uranium like it was candy) has made back door deals with Iraq and Saddam to further his Nuclear program... they do not want people to know about this. Germany is the same deal... they were traded oil rights or price fixed oil for technology and info they NEVER should have even considered giving to a rogue state like Iraq. Russia... CAN ANYONE SAY GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE. russia is about as credible as a crack head asking to borrow your vcr to dub a tape. I don't like or approve of war... but the problem is that YOU PUSSIES have made it impossible for a leader to do what MUST be done.... certain times and people call for war or violence... there's no arguing it.... Sometimes people are just bad... not to infer that there are no bad american or other country leaders just that this particular guy is a TOTAL D-BAG and he CAN be dealt with realatively safely where as if you let him keep going it's only a matter of time before he says he has what he needs to attack america... and YES he DOES want to destroy america... NO ONE QUESTIONS THAT. This should have been done in the senior bushs' presidency. We should not have accepted a cease fire under the condition's Saddam was willing to accept. We (the gov.) told the people of Iraq they should liberate themselves and we would be there soon to help... once this started happening Saddam realized he was going to loose control so he offered a retreat out of Kuwait as long as he could stay in power and deal with those that did rise up as he wished.... bush agreed because of PUSSIES like all of you who are whinning about all this crap.... The "highway of death" headline scared the tar out of Sr. so he accepted a surrender that, if he did what HE thought was right, he would have NEVER accepted. Sr wanted to get rid of Saddam once and for all.. but because he was a beotch and listened to bleeding heart P*ssies like all the protesters now... THOUSANDS of people in Iraq who we PROMISED we'd help DIED HORRIBLE DEATHS including the death and dismemberment of CHILDREN... all because protesting PUSSIES didn't want to hear about children dying in bomb raids conducted by the U.S. Me personally.. If I'm the subject of an unfair tyranical gov. and I have to risk loosing my family to a bombing raid so that NO ONE's babies will have to be TORTURED in front of there parents... That's a risk I would GLADLY take. This is something that MUST be done... it's just easy to say War is bad and leave the Iraqi's to fend for themselves but it takes a MAN to say I will be the villan for the sake of the INNOCENT.
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03-22-2003, 10:33 AM
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Democrat Al Gore with 50.16 million votes, Republican candidate George W. Bush with 49.82 million votes Bush LOST popular vote... But then again as im SURE you know... WE the people do NOT elect the president... the reason we don't is because we are too stupid to make such an important decision, or at least thats how it started... |
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03-22-2003, 10:48 AM
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that is the WORSE thing a president can do... you are SUPOSED to lead the country how the people want it led.. a president is SUPOSED to be the major rep. of our country... NOT someone who just does what he wants.. in fact the original intent of the right to bare arms and form a militia was intended so that we the people could posses adiquate weapons so that in the event that the government DOES become out of control, and DOES start doing things that we the people as a whole disagree with, that we can NOT be oppressed by the government and can rebel against them and dismantel them it was a failsafe against another monarchy. |
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03-22-2003, 10:50 AM
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did you read what i posted before about OUR back door shenanigans... we are in NO position to acuse anyone of "sleeping with the enemy" especialy with a bush in office |
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03-22-2003, 10:52 AM
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well put nonovurbizniz
even though i'm not a big fan of Bush, he is doing what needs to be done |
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03-22-2003, 10:55 AM
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k this is getting no where...the war is happening NONE of us are going to stop that...it looks like were winning... point or pointless its happening....like i said...No where..will we see a perfect world to live in....to try and do so...we should start with our own streets.....
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03-22-2003, 10:59 AM
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BUSH SENIOR WAS CLEANING UP HIS OWN MISTAKE After becoming President in January 1989, Prescott Bush's son, George Herbert Walker Bush - father of our current President - authorized a series of programs that not only armed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein but also provided him with technology that assisted in his development of chemical weapons like Sarin gas, and biological weapons, which he still possesses. Apologists for Bush (the elder) say that, after the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s left the region unstable, he was just trying to establish a new balance of power. Not so. Bush directives and policies, including relationships with the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) were directly and deliberately responsible for creating the army the U.S. fought in 1991. ALL OF YOU NEED TO STOP BEING ****ING SHEEP.... do a little digging.. formulate your OWN opinion.. |
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03-22-2003, 11:17 AM
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Ya following the fical public opinion is WAY better than doing what you believe....
In the mid 90's Clinton launched a cruise missle attack on a guy by the name of Osama bin Laden.... the first missle missed and hit an embacy or something like that... The PUBLIC freaked out... "why are you firing missles at caves"... "that guy isn't REALLY a threat".... Well guess what... if clinton had stuck to his guns like a GOOD president should... we would have NEVER KNOWN 9-11... It is OUR responsability to elect the best person for the job. After that I'm sorry but your wrong the public has NO say whatsoever in the running of the country till 4 years later... that's why president's only are in office for 4 years... so if the public diagrees with him they can elect someone else... If you think that the right to bare arms has ANYTHING to do with overtaking our OWN gov. your dumb.... sorry but that's the way it is. Your only control over your gov. on a realtime basis is through your congress. Senators and Representitives HAVE to listen to there voting public.. they in turn impose those beliefs through law making and passing or not passing laws/bills. If you tried to start an armed revolution against the president or his admistration or the Gov. in general YOU WOULD BE KILLED BY THE ARMY SO FAST YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TIME TO SAY JUST KIDDING. Armed revolution IS NOT any part of the reason we have the right ot bare arms. Revolution from FORIEGN governments was. England was not our gov. that was our arguement. And the reason militia's and the right to bare arms were started was because the ENGLISH army was on there way here to kick our ass' into line. And just so you know... a president acting in whatever fassion is not a monarchy... He still needs congress' approval and givin enough public outcry he could be impeached and deposed (if there is an impeachable crime). I'm sorry but our check and balance system isn't HALF as quick or direct as you think... presidents, armies, politicians get away with doing ALL SORTS of unconstitutional/illegal things. It take a LOT of time for the check and balances to catch up with ANYTHING. And as far as that not being the kind of president you want... well that's your decission... but I'd take someone that you can predict. Someone who thinks one thing is a great idea until the public disagrees isn't exactly what you'd catagorize as a "leader" that's more of a follower. If you look at the history of the country ALL the best presidents went against popular belief and got things DONE which shaped our world to what it is now... and yes some of it was/is irreprehensable however far more of it ENSURED that we are all living in a FREE country. Saddam is F'ing Clownshoes... he needs to be gone... he's a joke and worse than that he is a sick F*ck who has a STRANGLE hold on his own people. People who don't understand what's going on love to sit there on there pedistal of piety while people suffer under saddam because of OUR inaction... And as far as this being a war for oil... PLEASE... If all of a sudden america was taking all of iraqs oil (or even some of it) without paying out the nose EVERYONE WOULD KNOW INSTANTLY.... It just wouldn't be stood for.... that's pure ignorance... My sister is a BIGTIME protestor... she goes all around the world protesting this and that... the problem is when I ask her (or any other person) to explain her problems with whatever she's protesting she yammers off all the typical bullcrap then you ask her what she or any of the groups she belongs to thinks should be done instead... they have NO ideas... I say sh*t or get of the pot if your intension is just to STOP things and not offer an alternative then shut up. I'd go so far as to say 90% of the people who disagree with this war have NO understanding about what it's REALLY about and are just bandwagoneer's. I'm the first to question ANYTHING my gov. does.... I am the first to UTTERLY DECIMATE BUSH'S CHARACTOR.. he's a dick a moron and an embarrasment... HOWEVER... this is what needs to be done. maybe not for the reason's he's saying.. but it needs to be done... Saddam is a danger to the world much less his own people. There is NO defending Saddam Hussein. I said the day bush got elected "we're going to war with Iraq one way or the other"... and when it started to happen I was VERY against it.... then I thought about it.... Bush is offering himself up as a scapegoat... NO ONE will blame america they'll blame bush... good. This is something that needs to be done. Saddam has been spitting in our face since the gulf war... SHOOTING AT OUR JETS that patrol the no fly zone... I don't know about you but that's an act of war to me... continuing on the path toward nuclear weapons.. furthering his biological and chemical programs and TORTURING HIS POPULATION. **** him he's got to go... If you want a gov to revolt against try the Iraqi one. ours isn't doing ALL that bad. (well ok it is but that's just an election away)
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03-22-2003, 11:19 AM
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You're saying not to be sheep then you say our leader should be one???????
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03-22-2003, 11:29 AM
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03-22-2003, 11:30 AM
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I'm the first one to say that bush Sr. was a slimey sack... he ran the goddam CIA for gods sake... obviously he's crooked...
Your point about the banks doesn't make any sense. (not enough of the story I don't get it.) Duh we make back door deals... FOR GOOD REASONS. Iran under the Iotola Khomeini was FAR WORSE than saddam could or will ever be. There direct goal was to sell there oil for weapons to wage a war on the US. If you think it was a bad idea to fund the guy next to them who WAS far more controllable at the time then your dumb. What else should we have done. Declared holy war on Iran? Or waited for them to nuke us??? I did not read the post you were reffering to but just because we're guilty of something doesn't mean we have to sit by and watch other people do it. If a judge loved sleeping with teenagers should he not convict child molesters because he's guilty too?? that doesn't make sense. America has done all sorts of ATTROCIOUS things. that doesn't mean we should sit around an let other people do the same thing. Look at nuclear proliferation... we're obviously guilty of producing MASSIVE amounts of plutonium depleted uranium nuclear bombs, generators, waste. Does that mean we shouldn't encourage other countries to NOT do the same retarded thing? Like I've said... I do question everything... I am NO sheep. This is something that should've been done a LONG time ago... sure it would've been best to never put him into power. But we were looking out for our own best interests... If we had not supported Saddam in the early-mid eighties chances are we'd all be glowing green at this point. Iran was SERIOUS about destroying america... they created a TERRIBLE climate in the middle east. If you want to ***** about american foriegn policy then complain about the fact that 90% of the money/hijackers came from Saudi Arabia who SUPRRESSES it's people yet we support that regime.
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03-22-2003, 11:32 AM
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no but im saying he should not run the country based on personal vendetta... reply to what i wrote.. about bush senior.. and bushs grandad who funded nazi germany.. REPLY to that... heres some REAL facts for you... Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced: - 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron - 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate - 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate - 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet - 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes - 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire - 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives the bush family sure can pick them... |
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03-22-2003, 11:38 AM
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03-22-2003, 11:46 AM
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So if your great grandfather was a slave trader your a bastard?
I guess people should also stop going to disney land and buying ford cars too right? cuz Henry ford had a picture of hitler on his desk and was an active supporter of Nazi interests foriegn and domestic. As was Walt Disney. The beauty of a FREE COUNTRY is the lack of GUILT BY ASSOCIATION. If you want to go conpiracy theory on this thread then why not point out that ALL of our presidents (including clinton) since carter have been active members of the trilateral commision. And that everytime they meet (in secret with press and visitors BANNED from the proceedings) and discuss things, those "things" start popping up all of the world and things they mention as "good ideas" become not just gov. but WORLD policy... WTO... the formation of a palastinian state (just wait), NAFTA... etc etc...
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03-22-2003, 11:53 AM
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Oh and if you want bush sr. juice try this....
Before Ronald Reagan choose his running mate he was ADIMENT that GHB. was NOT an option because he was a member of the trilateral commision and one of Reagan's goals as president was to disclose what the group was all about..... Unnexpectadly when the time to announce his running mate RR said Bush. Did anyone else notice that Reagan had 2 attemps on his life in the first year of him being in office????
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03-22-2003, 12:07 PM
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That is why the UN is a waste of our time. The chinese are in the UN, how can a commmunitst hellhole like that appreciate a capitalistic society like ours? |
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03-22-2003, 12:10 PM
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i would not put henry ford or walt disney in charge of the country.. lol im SIMPLY saying that when we point at countries like iraq, and say he is an "evil" man and must be stopped.. we need to check ourselves... and i go back to the age old in a glass house throwing rocks... good bad evil just, is ALL subjective.. i know personaly people who grew up living under a dictator (prince or king) and they all except that is there culture, and although there are things they do not like, they would NOT want there culture lost in (for example) a americanized India... MY POINT IS SO SIMPLE.... we NEED to look at the REAL facts when assesing things.. THE REAL REASON WE ARE AT WAR... |
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03-22-2003, 12:11 PM
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WHY DO THEY HAVE TO..... you guys want to americanize the world don't you???  |
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03-22-2003, 12:26 PM
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maybe youd like it if we started some american crusades throughout the world to americanize EVERYONE, and just kill all those who oppose.. whould you like that??? then we could all be the same... **** differant cultures, goverments, and races.. maybe we should FORCE specific breeding combos, so that ONLY one type of person exists.. would that make you happy? |
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03-22-2003, 08:16 PM
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Hey hey hey, thats a little for. If you've been paying attention to relations between China/N Korea you'd know that they don't appreciate N Korea's violation. They refuse to back them up if N Korea gets into a war. Most of the UN except: America, UK, China, Australia have little to no interest about anything but themselves. These countries I just listed depend on each other... |
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03-23-2003, 04:11 AM
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We could do this stupid idea, or we could leave the rest of the world alone. |
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03-23-2003, 04:12 AM
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Just because some people agree with Bush does not mean they are mindless puppets. |
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03-23-2003, 04:15 AM
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Funney how some people on this board see Saddam as a guy who is no threat to us and has no problem with Americans. |
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03-23-2003, 05:57 PM
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I don't agree with bush... I didn't vote for him and wouldn't EVER.... but I'm sure glad we're finally ousting that F*ckball.
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03-24-2003, 10:22 AM
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theres no arguing saddam is bad in referance to OUR culture, the ONLY argument is where our juristiction ends... when we start intentionaly changing governments around the world, subsequently altering cultures.. i guess my concern is where does it end...
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