more troops?

[CD5Passion]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush asked his new secretary of defense to draw up plans to increase the overall size of the Army and the Marines, according to an interview with the president published Tuesday in the Washington Post.

"I'm inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops -- the Army, the Marines," Bush said. "And I talked about this to Secretary Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed forward on this idea."

Senior administration officials said the timing of the president's comments is connected with Washington's oncoming budget season, and that the president intends for such plans to be part of the fiscal 2008 budget.

But the comments also come amid increasing warnings from officials and experts that the U.S. military is stretched too thin to cope with the stresses of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"It is an accurate reflection that this ideological war we're in is going to last for a while, and that we're going to need a military that's capable of being able to sustain our efforts and to help us achieve peace," Bush told the Post.

Democratic Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, the incoming chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday that the military is "bleeding."

"The stretching and the straining of the troops is serious," he said. " ... I think we have to put on a tourniquet and strengthen the forces. I think that will be a major part of our early work."

Bush disagreed with former Secretary of State Colin Powell, who said the U.S. military was "broken," on CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday.

Bush reacted to Powell's statement, saying, "I've heard the word, 'stressed,' ... We need to reset our military. There's no question the military has been used a lot.

"And the fundamental question is, will Republicans and Democrats be able to work with the administration to assure our military and the American people that we will position our military so that it is ready and able to stay engaged in a long war?"

In addition to the overall troop strength, the president is considering whether to send as many as 30,000 or 40,000 additional troops into Iraq on a short-term basis to secure the Baghdad area -- a plan supported by GOP presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

McCain supports an increase in overall troop size.

Meanwhile, Democratic Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, said on CNN's "The Situation Room" that the United States has already lost the Iraq war.

"Militarily we have lost -- there is no question about it, we cannot win this militarily," the lawmaker said. (Watch Iraq's criminals in uniform )

Murtha, who has advocated withdrawing all U.S. forces from Iraq, also said the U.S. has missed its opportunity to stabilize the war-torn country.

"There is no way the United States can solve this problem," Murtha said. "We have gotten so far out and we have missed our opportunity, if we ever had an opportunity early on, to stabilize Iraq. Since we didn't do it then, it cannot be done now."

The congressman also sharply criticized the recommendation of sending more troops to Iraq.

"They don't have an achievable mission -- a defined mission which they can point to," he said. "What's the point in sending another 40,000 troops?"

Some military officials -- reportedly including the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- have balked at the idea of sending more troops temporarily, concerned that the influx of American forces could increase attacks by insurgents.

But White House spokesman Tony Snow said Tuesday that the "notion" of a "feud between the president and the Joint Chiefs would be wrong."

"They work together," he said. "The president has a great deal of respect for the chain of command -- in fact, the chain of command, starting with the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs, the combatant commanders, all the way down to the people who are doing the fighting on the ground in Iraq, Afghanistan and that are serving the nation in uniform."

sorry I can't hold my tongue...what the fuck Bush? Come on this is getting ridiculous

[GT40FIED]

Actually his plan doesn't have much to do with sending more troops to Iraq from what I've read. Although with all of the bullshit we've thrown at current troops it's hard to imagine we'll have an easy time recruiting in the future. It doesn't matter how many troops we add on...this war is so over. I guess it's nice to see the white house finally acknowledging it as well.

[ChrisCantSkate]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

Actually his plan doesn't have much to do with sending more troops to Iraq from what I've read. Although with all of the bullshit we've thrown at current troops it's hard to imagine we'll have an easy time recruiting in the future. It doesn't matter how many troops we add on...this war is so over. I guess it's nice to see the white house finally acknowledging it as well.

yeah it dosnt sound like we are trying to send more, just have more on hand "just incase".

[GT40FIED]

Honestly, even if the new troops don't go to Iraq I think the plan is pretty flawed. The whole idea is to boost troops levels so we can keep fighting "the war on terror". Basically it boils down to "we don't want to get our asses handed to us the next time we invade a country". Besides, where will these new troops come from? The military is already having prblems meeting recruitment goals. I don't think a major international catastrofuck is going to rally the troops.

[Robert]

The easiest way to increase troops would be to increase signing incentives. $5000 more upon sign up or prime loans while enlisted to help you recover from your debt. There are more tools to get people to sign up then we'd like to think. Military caters to the lowest common needs.

I personally think the issue in Iraq is multi-fold:
1. Military hasn't been let lose
2. Military doesnt have the correct inteligence to find all said bad guys
3. Iraqi People
- Have a desire for infighting
- Haven't seen real improvements over leadership change
- Different culture allows for more fuild power shifts
4. Greater issue of reduced population grow removes long term viability to huge military spending.