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Old 11-04-2004, 05:40 PM   #1
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The Patriot Act...revisited

So one of the links Racing Rice posted in another thread lead me to this. If it's real, it's very VERY scary. Kiss your consitutional rights goodbye (moreso than under the existing Patriot Act which is, in itself, a complete sham)!

http://www.infowars.com/pdfs/patriot2-hi.pdf

Hopefully it's just a bunch of conspiracy nuts...but if it's real then we're in real trouble. Oh...and for those of you who aren't familiar with FISA (which is very real and has been since 1978), get acquainted.
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:48 PM   #2
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i just can't believe most congressmen didn't even bother to read the bullshit in partiot acts 1 and 2 before passing them...
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:52 PM   #3
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i just can't believe most congressmen didn't even bother to read the bullshit in partiot acts 1 and 2 before passing them...


Actually the 2nd edition hasn't gone through. But you're right...nobody reads what's put in front of them unless they can tack useless bullshit proposals onto the end of it. It's even more sad that 99.9% of Amerikans don't care enough to read them and realize that a lot of their rights are being revoked.
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Old 11-05-2004, 12:11 AM   #4
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they read it, they add to it. lazieness is a side affect of hunger, give them a snickers bar. maybe theyll read it then. good luck. they dont give a shit.
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Old 11-05-2004, 02:47 AM   #5
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it goes to show what america is now based on...laziness and stubborness
and if you disagree take a look around you one day and count how many people will cheat at everyday life
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Old 11-05-2004, 06:17 AM   #6
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Man...it's not about laziness...it's about ignorance. Congressmen can't honestly read everything put before them. That would put them in a state of gridlock since few of them understand the language in which laws are written nor do they have the time to do so. They trust others to tell that what is good for us and what isn't. But every congressman's voting record is available to the public...online, no less. I have already emailed my congressman on matters of the first Patriot Act and the possibility of a second act and would urge others to do the same. FISA was enough. This is just perversion.
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Old 11-06-2004, 10:28 AM   #7
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you do realize that all the patriot act does is give the police the same abilities to hunt terrorists as they do drug dealers.
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and police suck at hunting drug dealers so it does nothing.
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Old 11-07-2004, 06:03 PM   #10
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you do realize that all the patriot act does is give the police the same abilities to hunt terrorists as they do drug dealers.


Ummm...no. Read it closely man...or read it period. It gives courts like FISA to conduct secret searches of your home without your knowledge, tap your phone or monitor your internet connection without a warrant, suspend habeas corpus, and deny you council...all on the SUSPICION that you are a terrorist or that you sympathize with them. I'm all for fighting terrorism, but shit...I enjoy having a few civil liberties as well. Plus it doesn't clearly define a terrorist or sympathizer. It's just like back in the day when the "war on drugs" began (which was the biggest joke in decades) when they passed laws allowing people to be held in jail for up to a year on the (again) SUSPICION of using drugs. Way to protect the constitution Amerika!
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