Want new subs thinking of kickers wat should i do?

personally... i'd take any of them... anyone wanna donate? its a good cause!

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Which one would u pick out of those.. thye all look nice i like the compvr 4's and the XPL's... id dont matter on price but not the L7's too expensive..


Chris's 94 Teg

i'd say comp vr's or xpl's. the squares just havent had a good track record for holding together. they beat like hell but don't last long. get the L5's if you want to. just a little too much risk for me to spend major $ on.

[Accord Man]

has you budget gorwn or something??

How do you plan to power any of these subs?

yeah really... lol

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Well if i get 2 of the XPL's they will be only around 290 or so.. just depends.. well a 400 watt amp will power them... i can go bigger but somehting that will make them hit then that will be ok.. i was offered a Pioneer amp today 4 channel for $160 only like a week old never used...

Chris
94 Integra

whats the power rating on that amp. and look for the RMS rating. max power means nothing, really.

[Accord Man]

4 channel amps pwerform very poorly on subs.

You'll need 400 w rms to EACH sub! If you're planning to feed 200w rms to each subs, you are aiming for the wrong ones.

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

wat does 400w rms's mean?> hah sorry i am new to some of this stuff... well wont i need a 4 channel if i am going to run 3 12's possibly? i know that 400 wont hold then up unless i get another one... and i dont really want to pass on this amp cause if i go with Pioneer i want al pioneer stuff like amps cd player ECT. but i duno aout Kicker there si a dealer in Canton Horizon Audio and they carry everything and i am goin ot make a trip up there to see how much they are up there...


Chris's 94 Teg

[Accord Man]

When you looks at the specs you'll see 2 ratings, one is RMS (can play conitnuously) and max (for a short burst)..

So make sure you look at the RMS figure.


You wanna keep it all Pioneer? Thats not a very good strategy. Pioneer is good for some stuff, and less god for other things.

3 subs?? Dude if you're going with CompVR's try to figure out how you'll power 1-2 subs.
1 subs = 400 watts rms
2 subs = 800 watts rms

And nope, a 4 channel amp is not meant for that type of application. Its meant for 4 interior speakers.

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

ok got ya... Well i like Pioneer some wat i have alwasy loved there speakers like there 6X9's. i got a set of 5/1/2's in just last week and mae a world of a difference insdie of the car. well i duno if i am going ot get kickers or not.. if i get kickers then i will only go with 2 cause of so much power but it just depends on wat i go with u know wat i mean?


Chris's 94 Teg

[Accord Man]

ya sure..

Let me just add another little thing.. For speakers,subs and amps, you cannot compare kicker with pioneer..

The difference is especially apparent when it comes to subs and amps..

very true accord man.

dont really think about each sub gets one channel.

i have a mono sub amp on two subs and it pounds my daylights out. of course i have very efficient subs so i can get away with it. 93 instead of most kickers are about 88-89. which doesnt mean mine are better they just use power better.

400W rms is alot of power. you don't hafta look quite that high to get good sound out of either xpl's or compvrs. but you should get at least 250W. the rms rating on each of those speakers is xpl-500W compvr- about 400 (i think, dont remember)
so you really don't need to push the limits.
as long as you get at least half the rms number you will get good sound. power is expensive.

if any professionals are reading this forget what i said. what i said is for people who don't have a lot of cash. like me!

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by Maxvla
very true accord man.

dont really think about each sub gets one channel.

i have a mono sub amp on two subs and it pounds my daylights out. of course i have very efficient subs so i can get away with it. 93 instead of most kickers are about 88-89. which doesnt mean mine are better they just use power better.

400W rms is alot of power. you don't hafta look quite that high to get good sound out of either xpl's or compvrs. but you should get at least 250W. the rms rating on each of those speakers is xpl-500W compvr- about 400 (i think, dont remember)
so you really don't need to push the limits.
as long as you get at least half the rms number you will get good sound. power is expensive.

if any professionals are reading this forget what i said. what i said is for people who don't have a lot of cash. like me!

Are you nuts?? j/k

For certain subs I can agree that you should stay away from the rated peak rms (ex: Pioneer, Kenwood, Sony XPLOD, ect).

But others will suffocate at half the recommended wattage (ex: Orion, Kicker, DD, ect).

And the efficiency rating is a very poor way to judge an audio component..

In this industry there are no set guidlines as to how a manufacturer is supposed to test his products. Its common to have a sub that has 93db sin and one that has 86 db, and somehow the 86db sub is louder.
The main reason for this, is the fact that companies chose their own frequency to test. One did 93db at 90hz and the other did 86db at 35hz.. And the 93db did only 75db at 35hz (& and was about shredding), whereas the 86db sub did 115db at 90hz.
Do you get what I'm saying?

On top of that their is the environment it performs in.. We wont even go there.


Ah hell, let me throw one more thing at you .

If you want to calculate the efficiency of a sub..
For a percentage (%) :
no = K(fs^3Vas)/Qes
in which K= 9.94(10)^-10 for Vas in liters

For SPL :
1W/1M dB = 112 + 10log(base 10) * no


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Bottom line if you want good subs but wont be able to power them properly, chose another sub.

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Alrgiht well thanx again i am going up in 2 weeks to a big Audio store In Canton and they carry everything.. so i am going to check on the Kicker XPL's and the Comp's. and i am going to check on that amp this week for wat u guys told me to check on..


Chris's 94 Teg

make sure you look at the comp "VR" subs... the regular comp speakers arent what you are looking for.

just a little technical clarification that may help you in the long run.

>>Later>>

OK everyone is probably done reading this post but.....

IF YOU WANT MASSIVE BASS and I mean huge bass go with AlumaPro. You may not have heard of it anywhere but it is a fairly new company. A friend of mine bought 1 12" in a ported box for $300(lowest model). It hits harder then any other sub I have ever heard of.

Amazing quality and sound.

Check them out, hope that helps

Ryan

yeah alumapro's are cool but a bit over budget here.
thanks for the input though!

>>Later>>

well, while were goin off subject, anyone have any advice for me for an inexpensive new 600watt bridgable amp that will last?

my subs only handle 250 rms so i wouldnt be pushing the amp to max, i just want something thats has the power to get me thumpin (im sick and tired of my sh!tty kenwood constantly cutting out on me, im just gunna give it away) :-P

(inexpensive < $140)


thanks

you will be hard pressed to find ANY 600W amp for less than 140.
minimum 250. but keep looking you might just find one.

[Accord Man]

oh boy.. thats gonna be hard to find..

For good and not too expensive look into autotek, ample & JBL.

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Alrgiht thanx for the info.. i am going up to Canton tomrrow to look around and i will let u know wat i find out...


Chris's 94 Teg

good luck. and happy beating.
im sure you will but... tell us what you decided on! we can't do all that "work" and not hear the fruits of our labor! haha.

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

well heres wat i found out...
i found out the Kicker XPL's are disconntinued so that counts them out.
and i got a package deal that will blow u outs the world.
2 Kicker CompVR's 12's with a kicker 800 watt amp and a box for aroud $730

then i got another one.
3 Pioneer 12's a box and a 2 channell amp and a 4 channell amp for around $600

[Accord Man]

which kicker amp exactly??

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

um i think a 400 watt amp is wat the guy aid that would do good... he didint say which one i know it has that many watts..

wat do u think is best price.. i think i might just get them kickers and then get a cheaper amp with the other place that has them 3 12's and get one there cheaper

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Well i am going to get the 3 12's. The Pioneer Dual voiced coils ones they are rated 700watts each. i just bought a amp for $140 its a 4 channel 760watts. i am going down to pick it up tonight. Also i am going to pick up a Pioneer 9300 cd player with it. But thanx for all ur help to all who has gave me advice like Accord Man and whoever else but thanx again. i duno wat i would be getting myself into without u guys.


Chris's 94 Integra

[Accord Man]

Your very welcome!

But hold on dude..

you are getting a 4 channel amp to power your subs?

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

yes and a 2 channel also.... haha i cant run 3 12's and one amp...
that would be stupid

[Accord Man]

its more than possible to run 3 subs off one channel!
Thats how most guys will do it..

you might want to post what exactly you are about to buy.. which models..

from what it sounds like, you are about to make a humungoloid mistake..

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Ok ill put up wat i am buying i am at school right now..

[C's 94 InTeGrA]

Ok.. heres wat i am getting:
I am getting 3 of these:

dual voice coiled and there rated 800 watts each

Here is the amp i am getting:

Its a 2 channel 300 watt and i am using that to power my door speakers and my panel speakers.Continuous Power (14.4V): 65Wx2 (4 ohm), 75Wx2 (2 ohm), 150Wx1 (4 ohm)
Max Power (14.4V): 130Wx2 (4 ohm), 300Wx1 (4 ohm)
Frequency Response: 10Hz - 50kHz (0,-1dB)
Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.008% (1kHz, 4W)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio: 100dB (IHF-A)


then my other amp i cant get a pic of it.. its the older verson of the amp.. but here are the specs:
4 channel 760 watts of power
its the GM- X554 if that helps lol...

So thats wat i am geting and i hope that helps Accord man

[Accord Man]

the subs are fine..

but the x554 is not meant to power subs.
it gives 50w rms x 4..

and you sub is rated at 400w rms for each sub.


Can you see the problem?

i sure can... what happened to 400 bucks???
damn shame the xpls are discontinued... though im sure you can still buy them a majority of places.

if your willing to spend that much i would get one awesome speaker and dump the rest of the money into powering it.
2 subs don't sound twice as loud. honest truth.

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by Maxvla


2 subs don't sound twice as loud. honest truth.

oh boy, you really dont want to go there...

There's a certain truth behind what you're saying.. But a setup with 2 subs is much more forgiving.