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Fastest maxima on the planet!
I dunno if u guys care to see this because it's a nissan maxima but i thought it was flawless!
http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewms...&msg_id=1184687 LEtme know what u think! 
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SHIFT_MyNuts Some people call it an obsession I just call it my maxima 1997 Maxima SE 5spd, Stillen Body Kit, Warpspeed Y & B pipes, Magnaflow Muffler, Koni Yellows & Tein S-tech springs, JVC Headunit, Directed 7" in dash screen,Stillen Intake, red/clear tail lights, AE mod, Paceseter STS, EL-Glow Gauges, Clutchmasters FX300 Clutch, rebuilt tranny, 19" Mille Miglia Evo 5's with Pirelli Pzero's(summer), 18" Hp D-10 hyper silver wrapped in Goodyear ultra HPR, SPW front strut bar, Helios 7000k HID, Motostorm UDP, Viper 5000Vx alarm, 2 12" PowerClass 124 subs, Kenwood 1200 Watt amp, DVD Changer |
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03-07-2004, 08:40 PM
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no work for me man.. check the url
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03-07-2004, 08:44 PM
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SHIFT_MyNuts Some people call it an obsession I just call it my maxima 1997 Maxima SE 5spd, Stillen Body Kit, Warpspeed Y & B pipes, Magnaflow Muffler, Koni Yellows & Tein S-tech springs, JVC Headunit, Directed 7" in dash screen,Stillen Intake, red/clear tail lights, AE mod, Paceseter STS, EL-Glow Gauges, Clutchmasters FX300 Clutch, rebuilt tranny, 19" Mille Miglia Evo 5's with Pirelli Pzero's(summer), 18" Hp D-10 hyper silver wrapped in Goodyear ultra HPR, SPW front strut bar, Helios 7000k HID, Motostorm UDP, Viper 5000Vx alarm, 2 12" PowerClass 124 subs, Kenwood 1200 Watt amp, DVD Changer |
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03-07-2004, 08:44 PM
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TRy opening it from here sorry about the bad links!
http://maxima.org/forums/showthread.php?t=292077
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SHIFT_MyNuts Some people call it an obsession I just call it my maxima 1997 Maxima SE 5spd, Stillen Body Kit, Warpspeed Y & B pipes, Magnaflow Muffler, Koni Yellows & Tein S-tech springs, JVC Headunit, Directed 7" in dash screen,Stillen Intake, red/clear tail lights, AE mod, Paceseter STS, EL-Glow Gauges, Clutchmasters FX300 Clutch, rebuilt tranny, 19" Mille Miglia Evo 5's with Pirelli Pzero's(summer), 18" Hp D-10 hyper silver wrapped in Goodyear ultra HPR, SPW front strut bar, Helios 7000k HID, Motostorm UDP, Viper 5000Vx alarm, 2 12" PowerClass 124 subs, Kenwood 1200 Watt amp, DVD Changer |
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03-07-2004, 08:47 PM
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still not working, and more than 240 hp on a fwd sucks
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03-07-2004, 09:11 PM
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link worked for me. not a fan of the maximas but nething with 475 hp gets props from me
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03-07-2004, 09:16 PM
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Turbo...nitrous...it's still a Maxima. The guys on that Maxima board don't seem too bright. One said something about it having 476hp at the flywheel and over 500 at the crank. If you're losing power between your crank and flywheel, you've got serious problems. When will people learn to pick one power adder and stick with it.
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03-07-2004, 09:25 PM
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03-07-2004, 09:35 PM
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03-07-2004, 10:41 PM
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03-07-2004, 10:44 PM
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Ones that make over 600hp are
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1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika |
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03-07-2004, 10:45 PM
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theres far fewer maximas with 500hp than there are mustangs w/ 1000hp.
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03-07-2004, 10:51 PM
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Not on the street my friend...not on the street.
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1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika |
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03-07-2004, 11:25 PM
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many cars that have a lot of hp say like 600+ arnt good for street, my dad has a '67 dart prostreet with a 440, with about 800 hp, its insane a can barly run it on street without his tire spinning a lot...
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03-08-2004, 12:14 AM
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^^Exactly
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03-08-2004, 08:42 AM
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They used to be not good for the street.. nowadays I can get probably 800+ hp with about 10psi and still run pump gas no problem. Take that maxima with twin turbos and nitrous.. motor not gonna last forever. It is quick, but still ugly. But lets be realistic. You can take any car regardless, twin turbo it with nitrous and it'll be quick. I remember how HOTROD took a junkyard car, slapped 150shot on it with no other mods, and it ran high 12s. Not all that hard. |
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03-08-2004, 10:46 AM
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03-08-2004, 12:02 PM
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 didnt you wana turbo a h22? you think thats less than 240hp?
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03-08-2004, 01:06 PM
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^yea what you got to say now hondaman.......
still a nice car. i would take it.
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03-08-2004, 01:34 PM
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yeah i wanted that for a while, but i realized that a turbo h22 is gonna be too much unmanageable power for a car that size and weight. f22 is where it's at: old school
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Truely wise words from someone who is surely in the know.
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1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika |
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03-08-2004, 07:08 PM
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 disagree, even if ur not gonna turbo it, the h22 kicks ass. I love it, jsut put one into my friends prelude its nuts.....NUTS I TELL U.I dont see why you think that 240 is a set power goal. I know you will hate me for this. But the SRT has like 230 to the wheels stock, sooooo, with a few mods it will be past that, im not understanding ur reasoning for that set hp. |
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03-08-2004, 07:18 PM
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I don't get it either but i still think that maxima is gonna eat up a lot of cars even tho the handling might suck on it.
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03-08-2004, 09:02 PM
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i guess because you own a mustang you know everything there is about them? hey look 3 seconds on google and i already find one FOR SALE : http://carsforsale.classifieds1000.c...e/Ford/Mustang scroll down a tad. yet i dont find much on 500hp maxima's. hmm which one is more rare? |
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03-08-2004, 09:19 PM
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Congratulations...you found a Mustang with a blower I could probably stick my head through and probably gets trailered everywhere it goes since, from the parts listing, it's a track car. Also, again just from reading the description, the guy has probably dumped twice as much into his car as I have and I don't see a car with a Tremec 5 speed handling that kind of power. So either he's about to blow his transmission or it's not true. As for 500hp Maximas...I don't care how many of them there are running around. They're still fuckin Maximas.
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WTF is that supposed to mean? U think ur antique for mustang is the shit and everybody's car is trash dont you. I dunno what the fucking problem is here but i would pick what ever u call a fuckin maxima over ur 1930's mustang. Either u just have problems with maximas or ur just an idiot.
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SHIFT_MyNuts Some people call it an obsession I just call it my maxima 1997 Maxima SE 5spd, Stillen Body Kit, Warpspeed Y & B pipes, Magnaflow Muffler, Koni Yellows & Tein S-tech springs, JVC Headunit, Directed 7" in dash screen,Stillen Intake, red/clear tail lights, AE mod, Paceseter STS, EL-Glow Gauges, Clutchmasters FX300 Clutch, rebuilt tranny, 19" Mille Miglia Evo 5's with Pirelli Pzero's(summer), 18" Hp D-10 hyper silver wrapped in Goodyear ultra HPR, SPW front strut bar, Helios 7000k HID, Motostorm UDP, Viper 5000Vx alarm, 2 12" PowerClass 124 subs, Kenwood 1200 Watt amp, DVD Changer |
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03-08-2004, 09:46 PM
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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03-08-2004, 09:54 PM
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^How is that ownage i just dont see it?
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SHIFT_MyNuts Some people call it an obsession I just call it my maxima 1997 Maxima SE 5spd, Stillen Body Kit, Warpspeed Y & B pipes, Magnaflow Muffler, Koni Yellows & Tein S-tech springs, JVC Headunit, Directed 7" in dash screen,Stillen Intake, red/clear tail lights, AE mod, Paceseter STS, EL-Glow Gauges, Clutchmasters FX300 Clutch, rebuilt tranny, 19" Mille Miglia Evo 5's with Pirelli Pzero's(summer), 18" Hp D-10 hyper silver wrapped in Goodyear ultra HPR, SPW front strut bar, Helios 7000k HID, Motostorm UDP, Viper 5000Vx alarm, 2 12" PowerClass 124 subs, Kenwood 1200 Watt amp, DVD Changer |
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03-08-2004, 10:04 PM
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What exactly is a 1930s Mustang? My car isn't an antique, but it almost qualifies for "classic" status on insurance papers. And no...I don't think my car is getter than everyone else's. I DO think it's better than a Maxima though. I don't know that I have a particular problem with Maximas...I just don't like them. What's so hard to take about that? I just don't like their styling and I don't care if one makes big power. You could show me a 500hp Yugo and I wouldn't give a shit (although I'd be a bit more suprised). It's just personal preference so don't take it so fucking personally.
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03-08-2004, 10:07 PM
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lets play nicley now children....
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03-08-2004, 10:09 PM
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No i don't care what u think of my car orthat one in particular but i just cant stand how u can say everything else is crap.
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03-08-2004, 10:09 PM
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whew... this is gettin out of control. So what its a Maxima. Its something different.. Isnt that what everyone wants to be?? They want there car different than anyone elses. Thats what he wants to do. It would be sweet to see Acura do it. Id give him big probs for doing it. U see older mustangs all the time have some kind of crazy set up like u have.. I have been to enough car shows and know people to do this as well. I have some respect for some Fords such as the 1995 and up mustangs wich i know a couple of guys running some superchargers on them and putting out some crazy numbers. But dont be goin and disin someones car like that. IF YOU are really into cars, u wouldnt go and make it sound like its the biggest POS in the world like u did in ur post. Just remeber that.
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03-08-2004, 10:20 PM
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Wow...I wasn't aware whomever's car I had "dissed" was present. So I don't like Maximas...BIG FUCKING DEAL. It's my opinion in the same way that people who like them have a different opinion. I don't see anywhere where I tried to make anyone's car sound like the biggest POS on the face of the earth. Once again, you've just got to remember it's just an opinion. Taking it personally becomes problematic since it's not directed at anyone in particular...it's directed at a car...an inanimate fucking object. So, unless the car would lile to speak it's mind, this has nothing to do with anyone.
And Acura_86...man...just stfu. I don't slam everyone's car and I think you know that. Like I said...I only said I didn't like Maximas and I'm not particularly impressed with this one in particular (although it's more than most people do, Maximas just aren't my style). It's not like I called you a bitch or something personal like that. So take it for what it is...an opinion...and let it go.
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03-08-2004, 10:29 PM
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I should STFU? Ur a lil bitch that rips on other rides or something that is better then ur ride. I don't give a flying shit what u think of maximas and i could care less about ur damn opinion.
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Lol...I love how people get so worked up over conversations that aren't even real. So you don't care for my opinion...tough fuck. Perhaps you should realize there are more important things than internet conversations with people you'll never meet.
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maximas own. Hey GT40FIED how's the heated seats and power windows/locks working for you in that stang? They worked great in the maxima
 anyyywayss I road in this mustang and it wasn't so bad speed wise so I had a little respect for the stang until I raced a newer 4.8 (5.0 I guess?) in my STOCK crx si with 255,000 miles.. well I kept right beside him the whole time it was sick. I didn't expect to win but I was happy. Then I lost all respect for stangs because I'd hate to see what my m2 would do to one or yours for that matter. MAXIMA OWNS. nuff saidin fact to be totally honest my gf was driving.... haha thats some shit 
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o I forgot the best part. If my crx si could keep up with a stand wow that maxima would straight so0o0oown it
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too bad his mustang has enough power to almost flip itself over off the line ? wtf is up with everyone getting mad at GT40 all of a sudden ? i dont like maximas either. In fact, i hate them. Always have, always will. I realize that a) GT40 has a fast ass car and would rape me, as would the maxima. But, i dont like maximas at all. Not my fault, they just remind me of slightly more reliable Neons when it comes to styling. Oh well, if im gonna get called a 'bitch' or 'Hata' or whatever this time, so be it, but im taking GT40's side on this one too, so apparently that makes me his bitch
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My power windows and locks work great...and heated seats are for pussies. Sure, they're ok to have, but I can stand my ass being cold for the 2 minutes it takes my body to warm the seat up. As for your race...that's not a bad kill but I'm confused...so raced a newer Mustang (it's a 4.6L by the way...couldn't be more different than a 5.0) that was driven by your girlfriend and you're proud you won? Or was your gf driving your car? Also...you said you kept right beside him and then said you won. Gotta be one or the other. I don't doubt your MR2 is fast...but I think I could still pull on you. But then again I'm not one for E-racing. Besides...no racing until I replace my starter and turbo and figure out my wiring gremlin (note to self...heat shield everything near the turbo from now on). Also, please remember my car is far from stock...it's hard to even relate it to a stock Mustang mechanically. I still fail to see the big deal here. So I don't like Maximas...so what? So you don't like Mustangs...I don't care. That's your choice. Don't buy one. No skin off my teeth. I just don't see what all the fuss is about.
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