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07-16-2002, 10:18 PM

I would read these two articles if you are american. America as you know it is changing and your lives could be impacted by spies!

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...185141232.html

http://www.citizencorps.gov/tips.html

US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

ebpda9 · 07-16-2002, 10:27 PM

no offense dude but they already had that. i know cause i'm not a natural born citizen, and i had the cops follow me, ppl watching me at all the times for the first 2.5 years.

07-16-2002, 10:38 PM

"The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups."

this doesn't sound like old news to me

blind34_1 · 07-16-2002, 11:10 PM

pretty disturbing, but I'm not surprised. How much you wanna bet the recruiting process will push the idea "sign up and be a narc or your not patriotic!" I hate this new crap.

OR...

maybe its just a plot to make potential terrorists or for that matter criminals paranoid about everyone?

but wait a minute, would a system like this have prevented previous events? wtc? OK city? previous wtc attacks? No. A smart terrorist (and these terrorists are smart) know how to be discreet. Untrained civilians wouldn't pick up on any terroristic activity. They would see someone foreign and cry wolf. Maybe they would pick up on normal crime, but thats not really the intended purpose.

anyway...yes america is changing. and its not in the best interests of law-abiding citizens. Ignorance is our governments best weapon. We're shooting ourselves...

Wren57 · 07-16-2002, 11:24 PM

Thats incredibly unsettling. I can't believe and am outraged at the effect on everyone's lives that the government has allowed Sept. 11 to have. Don't they see, this is what their intentions were. They are trying to destroy our democracy and everything we believe in, and by creating a civil spy corps it only further destroys the democracy. I swear, if this country doesn't get back on the right track its going to become Japan #2... for those of you who don't know- Japan used to be a world super-power before its economy collapsed- it is in the midst of a 12year downturn in the economy, bordering on depression... I really thought Bush would do a good job, and Im a very conservative republican... but damn hes screwing lots of stuff up...

Racing Rice · 07-17-2002, 08:13 AM

Thats ok.. I believe there is going to be some hell going on between the government branches sooner or later. Bush may trying to do good but he's stepping on a lot of toes in the process.. This should get interesting.

07-17-2002, 09:39 AM

Ditto. Wow, how can anyone read Brave new world and not notice what's going on in our country?

~shroom, card-carrying member of the ACLU

07-17-2002, 10:18 AM

Don't worry, they'll recruit some terrorists as well, probably by accident. Ahhhhh there's no information like disinformation.

b

Racing Rice · 07-17-2002, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spoogenet
Don't worry, they'll recruit some terrorists as well, probably by accident. Ahhhhh there's no information like disinformation.

b

This is so true..

blind34_1 · 07-27-2002, 09:39 PM

Its almost as disturbing as the rumor that, in order to fight piracy, the MPAA and RIAA have proposed that the government require all computers to have government software in the firmware that restricts cd-burning, cd playing, video manipulation, image editing, etc. etc. THEY ACTUALLY PROPOSED THIS!! They could also claim that this would help with cracking down on terrorism? Wha-a??!! What is going on lately? Our rights as we know it are starting to disappear. Its going to get worse...

07-28-2002, 01:41 PM

Hahahaha....you think that's bad, eh? Well maybe you should check the latest bill proposals in the US Congress. A bill has been proposed by some CA Dem Senator or Rep, forgot which house, to allow large media companies and copyright holders to HACK peer-to-peer services to prevent songs from being illegally traded.

Funny how we prosecute people for hacking then develop a bill to encourage hacking. This reminds me of the good old vigilante....throw due process out the window and take matters into your own hands. Oh well, they're still fighting a losing battle unless they're willing to follow basic economic principles of supply and demand in their pricing structure. Not many people demand crappy music, therefore the price of it ought to be low.

b

07-16-2002, 10:18 PM	#1
mt.biker Posts: n/a	america is changing (u should read this) I would read these two articles if you are american. America as you know it is changing and your lives could be impacted by spies! http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/...185141232.html http://www.citizencorps.gov/tips.html US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies

07-16-2002, 11:24 PM	#5
Wren57 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Age: 39 Posts: 2,856	Thats incredibly unsettling. I can't believe and am outraged at the effect on everyone's lives that the government has allowed Sept. 11 to have. Don't they see, this is what their intentions were. They are trying to destroy our democracy and everything we believe in, and by creating a civil spy corps it only further destroys the democracy. I swear, if this country doesn't get back on the right track its going to become Japan #2... for those of you who don't know- Japan used to be a world super-power before its economy collapsed- it is in the midst of a 12year downturn in the economy, bordering on depression... I really thought Bush would do a good job, and Im a very conservative republican... but damn hes screwing lots of stuff up... __________________ yeah, its that big

07-17-2002, 08:13 AM	#6
Racing Rice Project Combat Honda Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Highland,OH Age: 45 Posts: 7,985	Thats ok.. I believe there is going to be some hell going on between the government branches sooner or later. Bush may trying to do good but he's stepping on a lot of toes in the process.. This should get interesting. __________________ Racing Rice

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07-16-2002, 10:27 PM	#2
ebpda9 Repost Wagon Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: over here Age: 44 Posts: 17,266	no offense dude but they already had that. i know cause i'm not a natural born citizen, and i had the cops follow me, ppl watching me at all the times for the first 2.5 years. __________________

07-16-2002, 10:38 PM	#3
mt.biker Posts: n/a	"The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups." this doesn't sound like old news to me

07-16-2002, 11:10 PM	#4
blind34_1 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: IL Age: 40 Posts: 1,813	pretty disturbing, but I'm not surprised. How much you wanna bet the recruiting process will push the idea "sign up and be a narc or your not patriotic!" I hate this new crap. OR... maybe its just a plot to make potential terrorists or for that matter criminals paranoid about everyone? but wait a minute, would a system like this have prevented previous events? wtc? OK city? previous wtc attacks? No. A smart terrorist (and these terrorists are smart) know how to be discreet. Untrained civilians wouldn't pick up on any terroristic activity. They would see someone foreign and cry wolf. Maybe they would pick up on normal crime, but thats not really the intended purpose. anyway...yes america is changing. and its not in the best interests of law-abiding citizens. Ignorance is our governments best weapon. We're shooting ourselves...

07-17-2002, 09:39 AM	#7
Mushroom Posts: n/a	Ditto. Wow, how can anyone read Brave new world and not notice what's going on in our country? ~shroom, card-carrying member of the ACLU

07-17-2002, 10:18 AM	#8
spoogenet Posts: n/a	Don't worry, they'll recruit some terrorists as well, probably by accident. Ahhhhh there's no information like disinformation. b

07-27-2002, 09:39 PM	#10
blind34_1 Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: IL Age: 40 Posts: 1,813	Its almost as disturbing as the rumor that, in order to fight piracy, the MPAA and RIAA have proposed that the government require all computers to have government software in the firmware that restricts cd-burning, cd playing, video manipulation, image editing, etc. etc. THEY ACTUALLY PROPOSED THIS!! They could also claim that this would help with cracking down on terrorism? Wha-a??!! What is going on lately? Our rights as we know it are starting to disappear. Its going to get worse...

07-28-2002, 01:41 PM	#11
spoogenet Posts: n/a	Hahahaha....you think that's bad, eh? Well maybe you should check the latest bill proposals in the US Congress. A bill has been proposed by some CA Dem Senator or Rep, forgot which house, to allow large media companies and copyright holders to HACK peer-to-peer services to prevent songs from being illegally traded. Funny how we prosecute people for hacking then develop a bill to encourage hacking. This reminds me of the good old vigilante....throw due process out the window and take matters into your own hands. Oh well, they're still fighting a losing battle unless they're willing to follow basic economic principles of supply and demand in their pricing structure. Not many people demand crappy music, therefore the price of it ought to be low. b