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VR4_Craver · 07-30-2004, 12:05 PM

So after work I ate some pizza and later there was a burbbling in my tuimmy. So I am sitting on the shitter and reading the sport compact car (I know everyone does it

) I was reading the article "Red Devil" where a turboed k20 is laying down 455 wheel Hp. The next artcle is "Straight Shot" About a blue civic with a b18 laying down 355 whp. And I noticed something.....Both ran on 15' slicks the red devil ran a 13.3 while the car with 100 less hp ran an 11.3. Now I like "wtf?? I dont understand" Then I came up with a question that I never thought could be a problem...Is there such a thing as too much horsepower?!?

*pdiggitydogg* · 07-30-2004, 12:32 PM

yep...there is such a thing.
Whats the difference between a 1000hp supra and a 650hp supra? Nothing. They both tend to run similar times.

Too much hp is even more of a problem in fwd cars since there is less traction. Lets face it. Our hondas shouldnt have more than 300whp because after that its just silly. And if that car is out daily driver....250whp is kinda pushing it.

CD5Passion · 07-30-2004, 12:52 PM

interesting concept, I never once thought about it

07-30-2004, 03:20 PM

there is no such thing as too much power, its all about how you use it.

I think what people over look is the driver, the car doesn't get itself down the track on the own. My guess is both drivers are just putting it downall the way. In this case the guy with that much power would simply spin his wheels all the way down the track.

That much power is onyl really useful if you're already going 100mph and you want to jump to 200mph in 15seconds.

2ndGenTeg · 07-30-2004, 08:07 PM

Exactly- it's not too much power, it's not enough traction.

VR4_Craver · 07-30-2004, 10:36 PM

yea but those were ran with slicks....What is the point of slicks if they are no good for you? That just seems like a waste of money

*ChrisCantSkate* · 07-31-2004, 02:48 AM

its all about the launch

CD5Passion · 07-31-2004, 03:21 AM

i guess once you think about it, there isnt too much HP but maybe too much torque. hypothetically speaking, i fyou had a car with a ton of Hp but nothing comparable for torque you be.... well.... stuck, just another thought
but as for this topic it would be the driver, i mean you need to know the vehicle enough to know how to get a good launch and knwo the perfect shifting point to use the car to its full potential

GT40FIED · 07-31-2004, 03:48 AM

I don't think it's a problem of power...it's a problem of the original design and intent of the car. Do you think the original intent of Civics was to put down 355hp? While the B18 motor ran a lot quicker, I seriously doubt whatever that K20 was in was designed for 455hp. Now if you applied some serious power to say...an S2000 you'd probably see more gains since the car is made to handle being wound up and pushed hard ocassionally. Besides...FWD + big power has rarely equaled quick times. At least not without some serious suspension work and big ass front slicks.

VR4_Craver · 07-31-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by GT40FIED
I don't think it's a problem of power...it's a problem of the original design and intent of the car. Do you think the original intent of Civics was to put down 355hp? While the B18 motor ran a lot quicker, I seriously doubt whatever that K20 was in was designed for 455hp. Now if you applied some serious power to say...an S2000 you'd probably see more gains since the car is made to handle being wound up and pushed hard ocassionally. Besides...FWD + big power has rarely equaled quick times. At least not without some serious suspension work and big ass front slicks.

Well the hasporst civic (red devil) had all that done (1.02 on the skidpad) to it while the other one was made for auto cross and just ran 11's

*ChrisCantSkate* · 07-31-2004, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by VR4_Craver
just ran 11's

exactly, its just 11's.

VR4_Craver · 07-31-2004, 06:34 PM

I didnt mean for it sound like I can jog that fast...I was saying how it was set up and and just ( like just left track) and ran 11's I wasnt saying that wasnt a rather big accomplisment

07-30-2004, 12:05 PM	#1
VR4_Craver Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The stixx Age: 39 Posts: 1,550	too much horsepower?? So after work I ate some pizza and later there was a burbbling in my tuimmy. So I am sitting on the shitter and reading the sport compact car (I know everyone does it ) I was reading the article "Red Devil" where a turboed k20 is laying down 455 wheel Hp. The next artcle is "Straight Shot" About a blue civic with a b18 laying down 355 whp. And I noticed something.....Both ran on 15' slicks the red devil ran a 13.3 while the car with 100 less hp ran an 11.3. Now I like "wtf?? I dont understand" Then I came up with a question that I never thought could be a problem...Is there such a thing as too much horsepower?!? __________________ me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao

07-30-2004, 12:52 PM	#3
CD5Passion Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, California Age: 38 Posts: 5,446	interesting concept, I never once thought about it __________________

07-30-2004, 10:36 PM	#6
VR4_Craver Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The stixx Age: 39 Posts: 1,550	yea but those were ran with slicks....What is the point of slicks if they are no good for you? That just seems like a waste of money __________________ me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao

07-31-2004, 02:48 AM	#7
ChrisCantSkate Thought Police Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: orlando florida Age: 40 Posts: 9,662	its all about the launch __________________ Black Vtec Prelude-h22a power'd Many dreams come true, and some have silver linings. I live for my dreams and a pocket full of gold.

07-31-2004, 03:21 AM	#8
CD5Passion Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, California Age: 38 Posts: 5,446	i guess once you think about it, there isnt too much HP but maybe too much torque. hypothetically speaking, i fyou had a car with a ton of Hp but nothing comparable for torque you be.... well.... stuck, just another thought but as for this topic it would be the driver, i mean you need to know the vehicle enough to know how to get a good launch and knwo the perfect shifting point to use the car to its full potential __________________

07-30-2004, 12:32 PM	#2
pdiggitydogg Yahoo Watashi wa kattaze! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Meanwhile, up in The D... Age: 41 Posts: 10,579	yep...there is such a thing. Whats the difference between a 1000hp supra and a 650hp supra? Nothing. They both tend to run similar times. Too much hp is even more of a problem in fwd cars since there is less traction. Lets face it. Our hondas shouldnt have more than 300whp because after that its just silly. And if that car is out daily driver....250whp is kinda pushing it.

07-30-2004, 03:20 PM	#4
biker's back Posts: n/a	there is no such thing as too much power, its all about how you use it. I think what people over look is the driver, the car doesn't get itself down the track on the own. My guess is both drivers are just putting it downall the way. In this case the guy with that much power would simply spin his wheels all the way down the track. That much power is onyl really useful if you're already going 100mph and you want to jump to 200mph in 15seconds.

07-30-2004, 08:07 PM	#5
2ndGenTeg 4th Gear Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boulder, CO Age: 44 Posts: 830	Exactly- it's not too much power, it's not enough traction.

07-31-2004, 03:48 AM	#9
GT40FIED Best...mod...ever Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: At the end of the longest line Age: 43 Posts: 7,451	I don't think it's a problem of power...it's a problem of the original design and intent of the car. Do you think the original intent of Civics was to put down 355hp? While the B18 motor ran a lot quicker, I seriously doubt whatever that K20 was in was designed for 455hp. Now if you applied some serious power to say...an S2000 you'd probably see more gains since the car is made to handle being wound up and pushed hard ocassionally. Besides...FWD + big power has rarely equaled quick times. At least not without some serious suspension work and big ass front slicks. __________________ 1984 1/2 Mustang GT350 #842, Faster than you...nuff said Anna Fan Club President/Dictator Someday, in the event that mankind actually figures out what it is that this world actually revoles around, thousands of people are going to be shocked and perplexed that it was not them. Sometimes this includes me. "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell Welcome to the new Amerika

07-31-2004, 06:34 PM	#12
VR4_Craver Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The stixx Age: 39 Posts: 1,550	I didnt mean for it sound like I can jog that fast...I was saying how it was set up and and just ( like just left track) and ran 11's I wasnt saying that wasnt a rather big accomplisment __________________ me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao

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