ADM vs Pentium

[blind34_1]

ah, I've been brainwashed! Come to think of it, I have had drives that have lasted nearly 5 years, so I suppose its almost a toss up. Bad quality control within those companies, is definatly true.

Yeah, I've been out of the computer scene for a while ::cough, cough::. Just keep your reiceipts and shit, then it won't matter if it busts as long as you have a warranty.

My Soyo P4x400 was brand new and I kept having hardware locks. I was broke so for a year I kept replacing parts wherever I could. All the parts and bios updates later I called Soyo and they told me I had a bad bios, so I sent it to them and they fixed it for all of $10 worth of shipping. Wish I'da known that like last christmas.

yeah i just built my roommate a amd 2400 with a Soyo dragon600 w/gig or ram......pretty sweet board....but it's too bad he doesn't have serial ATA Harddrives to make it even faster

I'd clarify....it doesn't matter too much if the drive dies and you have backups of your data and it's under warranty......but then again, getting the warranty fulfilled on those things can be a pita too.

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[94_AcCoRd_EX]

If your drive dies and it has stuff on it that you don't want anyone to see... when you RMA it, will it possibly get seen?

[blind34_1]

what might we be talking about?....PORN? j/k

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by blind34_1
what might we be talking about?....PORN? j/k

Lol, neh... some personal letters, etc. and music stuff...

[IALuder]

well new question.

should buy a bigger power supply to put out more power if you put a shit load of stuff in it.

im think of 3 hard drive of 120GB each. one for me and on for my dad. then the other load all sorta porn and mp3s on it.

another question for each drive to i have to load windows 3 times?

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by SFKing
well new question.

should buy a bigger power supply to put out more power if you put a shit load of stuff in it.

im think of 3 hard drive of 120GB each. one for me and on for my dad. then the other load all sorta porn and mp3s on it.

another question for each drive to i have to load windows 3 times?

I'd buy a 430W at least for modern systems, especially if it will be loaded/overclocked.

You install windows on 1 drive only. A 120 GB porn drive... damn

[IALuder]

hey i have used 80 and i need more space!

[blind34_1]

80 in porn?! damn, I bet your a hit at lan parties....

Anybody running 2003 server yet? I've heard its nice because you can run it real lean, with only the components that you choose. Plus its supposed to be more stable, faster, blah, blah. My friend is currently running it, but it takes a fair amount of tweaking to turn it into a workable workstation. Networking still isnt working for him, and he's having dvd ripping problems, but otherwise it runs CoD, and thats all that matters!

Check the retail papers on sunday for your harddrives, they are having fastastic rebate deals. a 120 gb is running about 60 bucks after rebates. Go buy things sunday morning though, if you wait they will be out of them.

[IALuder]

the 2003 is shit.

[drdingo21]

Originally posted by bigbear
[b]Listen, overclocking is like turboing a stock motor. I overclocked my celeron 1 gig a while back. It bent over and took it in the ass, but I blew my motherboard. I'm now running a p4 2.4ghz on a soyo p4x400 dragon platinum edition mb.

You'd have to understand chips in general and binary to understand the AMD x P4 argument. See P4's have a math coprocessor. This allows it do to complex math MUCH faster than an AMD, not to mention the fact that windows is built to work with intel CPU's, since ALL computer processing is math and a hybrid combination of AND and OR logic statements.

This is untrue. Every Pentium, AMD and even Cyrix CPU produced since the 486dx has included a “math coprocessor”. They provide hardware for floating-point math, which otherwise would create an excessive drain on the main CPU. Math chips speed your computer's operation only when you are running software designed to take advantage of the coprocessor. All the subsequent fifth and sixth generation Intel and compatible processors (such as those from AMD and Cyrix) have featured an integrated floating-point unit (if you have ever benchmarked you cpu then you will see a spot for FPUs.), although the Intel ones are known for having the best performance.
In order for the math processor to be of any use the software has to be able to realize its there and be able to take advantage of it.

Games get better performace [if you really believe that, I believe that is more about your RAM and video card, I'll explain] AMD also calls it the AMD XP 2400+ and it's only rated for like 2.0ghz, search more online for details about that.

I do agree with you about the ram and video card.

And AMD calls them that, because its using a PR rating system. The 2400+ is supposed to perform as well as if not better than the p4 2.4. And so on up the line ie: xp1700 is equal to or better than the p4 1.7.

The reason AMD can hang with the p4 even though the p4 has a much higher mhz rate, is because the AMD performs more operations per clock cycle. The p4s performs around 7 operations clock per-cycle and the AMD performs around 13 instructions per-cycle. So you can see why the AMD is actually as fast if not faster than the p4. Even though the p4s mhz is much higher.

Games do not use math anyway. I know that may seem contradictory, but small consoles like game boy can't handle the math. Programmers of games use a trick called bit shifting. See multiplication could take several processor cycles to compute. Addition and memory commands take one cycle.

ycoordinate * 6

that may take several cycles to compute. But if you shift binary bits, once to the left halves the number and once to the right doubles the number. 100 =1 | 010 = 2 | 001 = 4. So break down ycoordinate * 6 into it's binary factors.

[>> means shift bit to the right, << means left, it's actually reversed because binary is backwards, but I don't want to confuse you]
6 = 011, y = 3 or 110
3*6 = 18

6 in exponents of two = 2^1 + 2^2. y*6 therefore equals
(110 = 3)
(110>>1) + (110>>2)
+01100
+00110
=01001
= 18!!!
TADA!!! no multiplication involved

Im not a programmer, so your probly right about that

[IALuder]

should i upgrade my bios chip. or is that unnesssary?

plus what MGH should i be running at?

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by SFKing
should i upgrade my bios chip. or is that unnesssary?

plus what MGH should i be running at?

You can't upgrade your BIOS chip, but you can flash the BIOS. If you don't need to, don't. You risk a bad flash --> dead board.

What's MGH?

[blind34_1]

you probably wont have a need to flash your bios, unless there is a major problem and/or update. back in the day you could swap chips, but with the new stuff using eeprom, we flash them now.

and yes, what is mgh??

Maybe he meant MHz....like mghz gone wrong....?

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[IALuder]

megahurtz.

wowzas. lots of intel p4 hatin'.

i'll have to set you guys straight in a few days when i get my new mobo

and just for the record i have 2 P4 2.6c systems as well as a Athlon64 rig.

indeed go with an AMD dood. I got a 2600+ in mine with a Radeon 9800 pro and it works like a dream. Pentium's are built for raw power but AMD's have WAYYYYY better architecture.

i say pentium 4 just because that is what i have in my emachine lol

um is an amd athalong for xp a processor that helps your computer run windows xp faster?

Originally posted by c0ng0 b0ng0
i say pentium 4 just because that is what i have in my emachine lol

um is an amd athalong for xp a processor that helps your computer run windows xp faster?

I hope you're joking.....but in case you aren't, I'll answer seriously. There's no shame in not knowing, I just figured everybody knew by now.....

The Athlon XP processors from AMD are merely a marketing ploy and have NO RELATION to Windows XP. Consider it coincidence or conspiracy, whichever you prefer, but there is no relation. The Athlon XP processors have a # after the XP, which is their "rated speed" a la the days of Cyrix's rating system. It is AMD's attempt to diverge from the MHz rating system to a performance-based rating system. For example, an AMD Athlon XP 1800 may run at 1500 MHz (1.5 GHz) but is rated at 1800, the equivalent of an 1800 MHz (1.8 GHz) Intel CPU.

Anyhow, the gyst of the matter is marketing, the XP is either coincidence or pure marketing conspiracy....don't confuse them.

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[IALuder]

yea the Athlon xp was before windows XP.