h22 in a civic?

from the subject above...would it fit in a civic? (coupe/sedan/hatchback)?

[Accord Man]

Yes its possible.. You'll need to fabricate the mounts though.

Some will say its a good choice.. But I dont think so.

I've been in a 95 civic si coupe, with an h22.. He had done all the possible suspension upgrades with a 2inch drop.. Still the front end felt heavy. He had massive amounts of understeer going into sharp curves in comparison to b18c series equipped civics.

yes the h22a is way to heavy do a CRVtec so much faster

my buddy has an h22 in a 98hatch and he has never complained of understeer

[KwikR6]

I can't understand how it would make it sooo bad....how much is the weight difference between an b18c5 and an h22?

[slowEJ6]

it fits, they make mount kits for it, its not too expensive. but not a good candidate if you are even remotely into autoX or road racing.

Originally posted by hybrid3do0rcx
it fits, they make mount kits for it, its not too expensive. but not a good candidate if you are even remotely into autoX or road racing.

what do you mean???

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by qwkcivic95
my buddy has an h22 in a 98hatch and he has never complained of understeer

Does he race in any type of auto-X or Solo category?

Even though the weight difference isnt huge, you'll clearly see the difference.

[slowEJ6]

Originally posted by NooNz


what do you mean???

i mean the understeer is a *****....its a horrible choice if you enjoy going fast in the turns.. a similiar B series equipped car would most likely pass you going into the turns and you may not be able to catch back up even on the straights - depending on the B series engine we are talking about here.
but if you are all about going fast in a straight line. H22A is a great choice.

h22 is abt. 80lbs. heavier.
im not against this setup but so far i havent seen any h22 equipped 5g civic do well in auto-x. but the quarter mile time is awesome.

[Accord Man]

Originally posted by Stapler
h22 is abt. 80lbs. heavier.

..than a B series.. Which is around 90 lbs heavier than a D.

Just wanted to specify.

yes...

[KwikR6]

and that answers my question from a while ago.

btw..i was lookin at the engine codes and i saw some that say hp = horsepower...and some say ps..what is ps?

Even though the weight difference isnt huge, you'll clearly see the difference.

Say you swear! I can't believe people still argue about this. I'm here to set this straight! YOU DO NOT GET MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF UNDERSTEER!!! I added Tanabe front and rear tie bars and it handles better than when i had a b16a in there. Even without them i could hardly tell! If you've really been in one you couldn't possibly tell me that it has massive understeer... This topic is always seen in every forum i go to! Except for one, but i won't get in to that... The swap is well worth the money and way funner to drive than the b16a i had. I can't possibly believe you've been in one and still say that it has massive understeer...

my buddy has an h22 in a 98hatch and he has never complained of understeer

Someone who's actually had some experience with one...

i mean the understeer is a *****....

Seriously? You can't be for real with that... I think someone may be talking out of there ass...

I just wanna clear this argument up before we get any other people turned away from what they wanna do... It's not the cheapest swap but well worth the money... What other swap 'll make your car peel out in second gear crossover on civic stocks?!?!?!

[Accord Man]

For sure it is.. The car itself handles ok.. Its relative.. When in a tight run in the twisties against b18c5 civics (or other mild FI b18 series engines), the h22 vic simply will not be able to hang (except may catch up in the straights).

For those who race (other than drag), i would discommend going with and h22.



And dude, say what you need to. But theres no need to be harsh about it.

I ain't bein' harsh! That's the way i explain things... Who the fukk races in twisties... Never have, never will... I wait for a straight, open spot and i go for it! How smart is it to take corners racing... I ain't a pro racer, i do it to have fun... So risking mine or somebody else's life isn't what i do, and i seriously doubt that a a type r is gonna walk that far away from me in a "twistie" that i couldn't walk a way after... He probably wouldn't pull at all... I honestly don't think you've had much experience in an h22a swapped civic. Maybe it wasn't done right or something. All i can say is i don't see a type r civic pulling a way in a turn... It's not like i turn the wheel and the car goes straight... Like i said before, the car handles better with the h22a and strut bars than when i had the b16a in and no strut bars... How does that make my "h22 vic" "not hang" in a "twistie??? Maybe you should research a bit. I'm not flaming, i'm just real and to the point!

[Accord Man]

Research huh?!

A guy drving a 98 VR6 (around 2800lbs) was beaten by a guy drving a 96 GTI with a Neuspeed chip (around 2630 lbs)..
Both cars were on Neuspeed race springs.

I'm sure you know how potent the vr6 engine is, torque is fabulous.

If ever you decide to run in tight corners against an R engine vic of your gen, let me know.


Lets leave it at that.

Done deal... And just to let you know, i know all about torque...

[ChrisCantSkate]

does the swap keep ac and ps? i have a friend with a 97 coupe and he wants to swap a h22 in but is wondering about ac and ps.

You CAN keep a/c and power steering! There's just the thing about paying the extra to go there... I haven't YET but i will come summertime. From what i've seen and what i've been told it's gonna be a combo of civic and prelude parts along with custom lines for the a/c. I'm gonna try and use the condensor off of a 92-95 civic and the compressor and other parts off of the prelude. Some custom work and a little banging is gonna be required... I let you know what happens when i get to that bridge. As for now, i finally went to the track. Go check out my times in the post of Corvette in the "Killings" forum... Good times for the first time at the track only running twice!

Why not go with the b16b? you are going yo get about 160 hp and 111ft/lb fo torque. it was originally designed for the crx in japan but never made it here, therefor you will not need as much fabrication. as you would with th h22.

Or you can go with a b18c5 which is a bit more expensive but you will get around185 hp... but like I said it is more expensive than a b16b. But the decision is really up to you. Good luck!!!

Well, last time i checked i think the b16b swap was around 5200 for the motor and 5400 for the motor on the b18c5. Not that i don't like the motors, it's just that everybody and they're grandma here has a b-series motor. And none of them will put you in the 13's with simple bolt ons... Maybe the b18c5 but not with only i/h/e... The h22a in a civic will kill both motors...

[slowEJ6]

Originally posted by JaY D. Em
Seriously? You can't be for real with that... I think someone may be talking out of there ass...

where do you get off with this crap? i know a guy that has an H22 in a hatch, he said it himself. so im talking out of my ass by quoting things he says? dont think so, but maybe next time you'll be able to post more intelligently and less hastily so you make more sense

More intelligent and less hastily? I own one and i can tell you that there is not a drastic change in handling... You guys are making it seem like, "oh my god, i can turn!" You're right, it's heavier up front making the steering wheel a little bit harder to turn than when i had a b16a. That's not understeer though my friend. You can only really tell when your parking! How much more intelligent you want? I'm not quoting someone else, i experience it! Go figure!

[slowEJ6]

he owns one too....oh well, i guess in your world different people cant have different opinions. what a shame.

i was thinking of swapping my D16Y8 out of my 2k civic ex 5spd and dropping in a H22 with NOS. Will this setup net 13s cause otherwise i was going to keep the D16 and put a greddy turbo at 8psi. (i know the turbo prolly will get me close to 13s) just looking for a better alternative than FI

look man, i can tell you right now... An h22 with Nitrous will MURDER a d16y with a Greddy turbo kit... To me, in my opinion, that kit is trash. You'd probably hit high 14's like that. Especially with only 8lbs... Now, if you're talking about an f-max kit, DRAG or Rev Hard with a thicker headgasket, the right fuel and tuning and about 13-15lbs you'll maybe match the ET of squeezing h22a coupe... MPH in the 1/4 mile will be slightly higher on the turbocharged than the nitrous'd h22a but the ET on the h22a will be lower. A 75 shot of nitrous on an h22a with intake, header and exhaust will get you in the 12's with slicks. Of course that means clutch and flywheel (i never buy one without the other)... But definitely a fast street car!!!

Originally posted by JaY D. Em
look man, i can tell you right now... An h22 with Nitrous will MURDER a d16y with a Greddy turbo kit... To me, in my opinion, that kit is trash. You'd probably hit high 14's like that. Especially with only 8lbs... Now, if you're talking about an f-max kit, DRAG or Rev Hard with a thicker headgasket, the right fuel and tuning and about 13-15lbs you'll maybe match the ET of squeezing h22a coupe... MPH in the 1/4 mile will be slightly higher on the turbocharged than the nitrous'd h22a but the ET on the h22a will be lower. A 75 shot of nitrous on an h22a with intake, header and exhaust will get you in the 12's with slicks. Of course that means clutch and flywheel (i never buy one without the other)... But definitely a fast street car!!!

nice time u have with your h22a...........but your 5th gen is lighter than my 6th gen civ......but i wouldnt b much different i would imagine.......if i do get slicks should i get the lsd with the h22a so when i heat up the slicks i dont peg leg only one tire.......75 shot on the motor is ok???? any other advantages on going this route

Originally posted by maxpsi


nice time u have with your h22a...........but your 5th gen is lighter than my 6th gen civ......but i wouldnt b much different i would imagine.......if i do get slicks should i get the lsd with the h22a so when i heat up the slicks i dont peg leg only one tire.......75 shot on the motor is ok???? any other advantages on going this route

Oh, there's plenty of advantages. But advantages to me might be disadvantages to someone else.

For one, there isn't a constant strain on the motor. The downside is that there isn't extreme power unless you push a button. To me, that's not very fun (i like all-motor.... Turbo second, close second!!! ).

2nd, is you can hook up alot better on street tires. Which is mostly for street racing. all you have to do is hit the nitrous when you get to second. If you need it earlier than that somethings wrong. Or you're racing a VIPER... Turbo is so very hard to hook up with on street tires (my last car was a turbocharged 93 prelude si). Of course on the track it's easier to get off the line with slicks on a turbocharged car than with an all-motor car or nitrous. Unless of course you hit it out of the whole. Not a very good method!

3rd, if you've got a girl, it kinda sux for her to see her head cock back every gear! Trust me, you get some nasty looks!!! hahaha...

4th and lastly (as of now, don't have a whole lot of time to get into it)... It's cheaper and less maintenance!

Overall, nitrous is better for the street than turbo. Just like anything, to much of something can kill a motor. So whatever you get don't go crazy!!! These are my opinions based on experience and what i've seen... I've never gone nitrous so i couldn't tell you just how fun or safe it is. The only advice i have to say is go wet kit!!! Fuel and N2o at the same time is a good thing.

But don't you think it'd be funner to hit 12's all-motor? That's props!!! I should be there by the beginning of summer if all things go according to plan. Of course, they never do, and i probably just jinxed myself!!! Be safe...

oh... 75 shot is ok on the h22...

[KwikR6]

Hey Jay...who did the install on your civic...?

My friends shop... They're turbo specialists but wanted to swap the h22a in for the challenge and i was curious on the performance of the h22. So we got together and did the swap. They did a clean, CLEAN job on it. Their outlook on all-motor has changed ever since. It feels like it's boosted. In fact in peels out just as much in first and even a little harder in 2nd than my turbocharged Prelude... Of course that was only 8lbs... But still, it has made a good impression on me so far! Hell, i can't complain. The money was well spent!

[KwikR6]

Damn!!! i wish there was a shop here that did installs like that...because I would definately get it done.

Man, actually, i'm pretty sure you could fine wire diagrams and instructions on how to do it... It does require some cutting and things of that sort but well worth it!

[KwikR6]

See the whole dropping the engine and doing a transplant isn't that hard...but the metal work on my engine bay would be killer for me.

Actually man, for a little cost i think my friend could probably hook you up with a walk through on the parts you don't know. Really all you're doin' is just cutting a whole through the bottom to get the shift cables in and also one to mount the shifter in. There's always a way my friend. Let me know if you ever get serious about this. There's always hybrid if you wanted to go that way. it's just not all that safe in the long run. Tends to leak... Let me know how i could help you out.

[KwikR6]

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