h22 or b16?

hey guys i really don't know what way to go i kinda want the jdm b16 b/c it's a smaller motor but still makes a good mount of horsepower but it has like no trq. another reason i like it over the h22 is that it not as expensce as the h22 although i wuld like tohave h22 i don't know what changes i would need to make to make the swap work and i need a reliable companys site that sells h22 for fairly cheap thanks

[Leets]

Well, this all depends on which vehicle you're putting this motor into. The H22 is far superior to the B16. However, if you're putting the H22 into anything but a Prelude... forget about enjoying driving... unless of cours all you do is drive in a straight line. The H22 is much too large for most of the smaller chassis and will through off the vehicles balance. If you're building a pure race car then go with the H22... but if you ever plan on driving it on the street then don't waste your time with it.

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

What kind of car do you have

[ShEaNy]

the h22..will fit into..most or all accords...what car do u have?

[AzCivic]

I'm assuming he's talking about a Civic.

A FWD car is never balanced, so its(H22) not going to mess much of anything up. Do a search on google and you'll find a crap load of stuff about it. And yes you can keep your AC incase you were wondering. This should get you started.

http://www.h22a.org/phpBB/
http://www.jdmshit.com/index2.html
http://www.h22hybrid.20m.com/index.html
http://www.driveshaftshop.com/HONDAPAGE.ivnu

yeah sorry it would be for a 94 hatchback

[TeriyakiBroccoli]

why not a b18c1? They're cheap, affordable, make good power, and easy to swap.

B16 makes too little power to be a competitor... jdm or usdm.

H22a is just too hard to mount to make it worthwhile. The b18 is most definately a better platform.

[ebpda9]

for a civic go b18

yeah i would go with b18 or a ls/vtec but that's more expensive

it seems everywhere i have seen b18 are more expensive

[Addict]

The B18B should be less than the B16B. The B18B is the non-VTEC LS motor. The B18C1 is the GSR motor and is usually pricey.

If you want all motor, then the B18C1 is a better choice. The B series will drop right in (with the addition of the rear motor mount). The H22 will require a little more work

I havent had the priviledge of installing a H22 into a hatch, but, our sister shop in town did.

My choice would be to go B16/H22, but, all others seem to want other things because of ease and cost factors.

Now I did get the chance to ride in that hatch, f*ck is that thing fast........doesnt rattle, doesnt clunk, doesnt bang, nothing. Runs like a champ, put urethane mounts in the thing so that prolly helped out some. Has a clutchmasters stage 3 w/lightened clutch masters flywheel. Its non turbo for now, but, the kit is in production. This is prolly my reasoning for the H22.

peace......f*ck bin laden........go Army.............

G FLICK

[2ndGenTeg]

I'm gonna have to second the H22 idea.

My buddy has one is his 95 hatch, and that thing is fast as hell.

I/H/E, we have video of it outrunning a C5 Corvette.

On top of that, Jun just put out their H22 camshafts. Yummy.

b18c1's are usually about $3000 b18c5's are about $5000

[2ndGenTeg]

Or you can get a JDM H22 for $2500

can now purchase mounts for the H22 at a moderate cost of $300.00 compared to the old cost of almost $1000.00.

Good choice, dump a $500.00 zex kit on it, f*cker ell haul.


Peace,

G FLICK

Actually paying $2500 for a JDM H22 is a rip. We sell them for $2100 with ECU, tranny, harness, manifolds etc... To answer your question....we have had many people come in with the civic HB's like you have and wanted to swap a H22A into their car. I encourage this swap. The H22A is the most polular swap in the whole bunch of Honda engines. I would also reccomend the b16a2 swap or b18c GSR swap. The b16a2 swap is $2K, and the GSR swap is $3,100. Check it out at http://no advertising businesses wit...lking to chief

yeah i dunno i havn't decided yet . First i'm trying to find out how much labor would cost for to put in a jdm h22 and i heard it is possible to keep ur a/c so that would be on that too. So if anyone has this swap done or know how much labor would be please post. O yeah and SSR about ur motors do u ship the motors with axles, and all other necessary parts? does it come with lsd? thanks

[silver]

espo, where are you located?
in socal you can do a b16 swap for $1600 out the door.
you find the right guy...even cheaper.
as for swapping the h22 it will of course be more and when I have driven h22 powered hb's I felt that the turning ability disappeared.

I'm located in PA man that b16 swap u were talking about is cheap . I'm pretty sure u can't get a deal like that here in PA . Where did they buy their b16 from?

[Addict]

Originally posted by espo42
Where did they buy their b16 from?

Or steal........:o

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by silver
espo, where are you located?
in socal you can do a b16 swap for $1600 out the door.
you find the right guy...even cheaper.
as for swapping the h22 it will of course be more and when I have driven h22 powered hb's I felt that the turning ability disappeared.

So when you turned the wheel the car just went straight then?

[silver]

no the car didn't go straight, you know what I mean. try taking a 35mph turn at 60 as you should be able to, I didn't particularly enjoy that.

as for the b16's price, they are going for around a grand right now and then $600 for labor. The standard price for the swap is now between $1600 and $1800 out the door. sr20 swaps are beginning to fall too, now down to $3k. There is so much competition now due since everyone knows how to swap a motor that there is less of a market for shops since people are doing it themselves or they know someone who can do it.

...stolen b16's go for under a grand installed...

I got a 92 hatch, where can I get the b18C1, I went to JDMpower.net and i found the b18C, is that the same? do you think its worth it.. and how much does installation cost?