Would you like to bomb Iran?

[GT40FIED]

I've posted this before, but somehow it's a lot more relevent now. Words of wisdom from the almighty Maddox:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....gi?u=bomb_iran

Is it just me, or isn't it a bit hypocritical of the Western world to think we can decide who gets nukes and who doesn't? I mean...we've got the most and we run rampant all over the fucking world "spreading freedom" to people who by and large don't like us a whole lot. Russia's got a lot too, and their hands aren't exactly clean either. In contrast, when was the last time North Korea picked a fight with anyone besides South Korea? Nukes are more symbols today anyhow. India and Pakistan have never been more friendly...probably because now they're both nuclear (or, if you happen to lead this country, "nucular"). Fuck, even Israel has at least one (although no president has ever publicly stated that they do). Hmmm...wonder where they got that technology/material. All a nuke is these days is a peace maker and an economic benefit (you tend not to bicker so much about money when someone has the capability to ruin your shit). Look at the cold war...the largest stockpiling of nukes ever. No one fired a single shot. Not even Cuba...and they're not exactly known for having even tempers. I mean...Iran can't have them but I'm sure we'd be down with our old friends in the Kingdom of Saud having them despite the fact that they bred the lion's share of the 9/11 terrorists. Even if Iran is so volitile, most people predict they're at least 5 years away from having bomb capabilities. I'm not saying the should have a bomb or that if they are violent we should wait right up until they're ready to do damage, but why the fuck is everyone just shitting themselves now over all of this? I won't suggest it's to draw attention away from other things but...well...ok, I will say that.

[Wren57]

I am extremely hammered, but I can say this:

Iran can NOT be allowed to get a nuke for this reason; their muslim theocratic leader thinks the Holocaust didn't happen, that Israel was founded on false Western pretenses, and that Iran will "not stop until Israel is wiped off the map." Yea, the dictator/president/whatever of Iran said in the US Today. Think I'm wrong, pick up a paper and read, bitch. THE PRESIDENT OF A COUNTRY THAT IS TRYING TO ACQUIRE NUCLEAR WEAPONS STATES HE WILL NOT REST UNTIL ANOTHER COUNTRY (A HUGE US ALLY) IS WIPED OFF THE MAP. WE'D BE NEXT. THIS FUCKER IS CRAZY. I'm sorry, but if you can't see that in plain english then you are just plain stupid.

[GT40FIED]

Israel a US ally? More like a US creation. It's like a homework assignment with a mind of it's own...sort of. I'm not sure exactly what bearing their holocaust denial has on what they can/cannot do, but modern historians (many of them Jewish) are starting to question the actual extent of the holocaust. I don't think anyone with eyes or a soul will deny that it happened, but they're starting to find that the generally accepted body count of 6 million is grossly bloated. Then again, Mao killed somewhere between 50 and 80 million people and I don't see anyone crying for China. Besides...as I stated...Israel has nukes, too. It's kind of unfair to say that it's alright for one enemy to have bigger and better weapons than the other and for us to overlook that. I'm not saying I agree at all with what Iran is up to, but as the world's largest stockpiler of nuclear arms I think it's a bit pretentious of us to shake our fingers at other companies for trying to devlop a single bomb. If Tehran shoots at Israel, Tel Aviv can certainly fight back. However none of this is likely, so I don't see the need for people to shit list Iran for trying to throw itself into the 20th century.

[CD5Passion]

kind of an semi off topic but it came to mind when wren mentioned the holocaust. But I was watching a show on the history channel called "Saddam and the Third Reich"

Few people realize that the Baath party was actually formed upon the principles and organizational structure of the Nazi party. Iraq, because of its oil and hatred of Jews, was an important battleground between the Axis and Allied powers in World War II. Nazi propaganda was broadcast throughout Baghdad, and Iraqis often went on rampages against Jews throughout the war. One of the most ardent Nazi supporters during WWII was named Khairallah Talfah. Talfah was Saddam's uncle. After the war, many of the key Iraqi Nazi supporters, all of whom evaded prosecution, wound up involved in Saddam's rise to power. This special examines the key individuals of the Iraqi-Nazi connection, the little-known battle for Iraq in WWII, and the strange link to Saddam Hussein (Historychannel.com).

[Robert]

Should thye be bombed no, should they be stopped at all means required from getting nukes yes.

We cannot live in the past, we must live in today and what tomorrow will bring. The world is not a better place if Iran has nuckular powers considering the direction their current gov't would take it.

[ChrisCantSkate]

we can only deal with what is pubilcly known. i can speculate all sorts of things on who i think and dosnt think has a nuke. your thoery of isreal having one is the same as thinking iraq had them. you want to use the shadow of uncertanty to say they do to make america look hypocritical but when it was the same shadow on iraq, everyone beleved and acted on it because of their diffferent views. i think if we thought isreal had one we'd try to get it the fuck out of the mid east. if iran takes it, who knows

[Wren57]

1. Iran hates Israel
2. Iran is developing nuclear weapons
3. The president of Iran has said he will do everything in his power to ensure "Israel is wiped off the map"

1+2+3=6

It isn't hard to figure out that Iran WILL use its nuclear weapons against Israel when/if they get them. To believe otherwise is plain denial of reality.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by ChrisCantSkate
we can only deal with what is pubilcly known. i can speculate all sorts of things on who i think and dosnt think has a nuke. your thoery of isreal having one is the same as thinking iraq had them. you want to use the shadow of uncertanty to say they do to make america look hypocritical but when it was the same shadow on iraq, everyone beleved and acted on it because of their diffferent views. i think if we thought isreal had one we'd try to get it the fuck out of the mid east. if iran takes it, who knows

Well...it's not a matter of speculation. Israel DOES have "the bomb". I'm not trying to cast a shadow of uncertainty...I merely stated that no president has come out and said they have a nuke. Just because a president didn't do it doesn't mean other people haven't.

And Wren...you're forgetting the first rule of global affairs...who are their friends? I'm pretty sure Iran is smart enough to realize that if they launch nukes at Israel, then Israel's friends (i.e. us) would slam them against the wall in a way that can only be described by a pornographic metaphor.

[Wren57]

If Iran were to get the bomb, they would use it against Israel. They would attempt (key word) to rally Islamic countries into a union against Israel and the UN. They would not hesitate to use a nuke; we, the US, CAN NOT under any circumstances ever use a nuke again. We would be fighting a horrific war that would be incredibly costly and difficult to win. I'd rather not have to deal with that problem then and squash it now; if that means going in and destroying their facilities, so be it, but that should be an absolute last resort.

[nonovurbizniz]

CD5 makes a VERY good point...

Nazi-esque anti-semitism is RAMPANT in the middles east. They've published articles in state newspapers affirming COMPLETELY fabricated storys from "the protocols of the elders of zion" which has been proven to be a fabricated document.

Frankly I don't see why they sink to fabrication when they have so much truth to inspire hate towards isreal.

On topic...

I'm in the middle on this one... however I definately lean towards prevent ANY nation from getting any more nukes or becoming a nuclear power when they aren't already..

GT not sure what you're talking about with India and Pakistan... I mean then were about to have a nuke throwing fight about 3 years ago... so they're def. not buddies by any stretch.

Either way if it were up to america and EVEN This F'd up administration I think they'd prefere NO ONE have nukes (except ourselves of course... we're the only one's that can be trusted)... including our allies/bastard children.

Iran is the scariest of the middleast nations IMO... they have enough money and wide spread fundamentalism that they REALLY could just haul off an nuke israel...

Keep in mind... future planning is NOT a concern of MANY of these fundies (christians included)... if they die in "the holy war" they're going to "the promised land".

To even the most liberal of hippies...If they know up from down... the idea of Iran armed with nukes is HORRIBLY SCARY.

They really are one of VERY few states where intent to use HAS to be a MAJOR MAJOR concern.

I mean even an out of his tits nut job like Kim Jong Il realizes he's dead if he uses them...

Iran SERIOUSLY might use them JUST to

A. DESTROY isreal FOREVER
B. Provoke a response from the US
C. Trigger a world wide religious war

"sane" fundamentalists are WAY scarier to me than out of their tits nut jobs, and psycho's like Kim Jong Il and Saddam.

[Robert]

nonovurbizniz - i resent the notion that you would put Christians in with the likes of radical fundimentalists.

[GT40FIED]

Originally Posted by Robert

nonovurbizniz - i resent the notion that you would put Christians in with the likes of radical fundimentalists.

He wouldn't have to if christians didn't HAVE fundamentalists. Anyone who blows up an abortion clinic or kills a doctor (ironically to stop what they deem murder) is pretty radical. Now I'm not trying to shit in your cereal, but c'mon...every group of people has their crazies.

[Wren57]

Yes, there are crazy Christian fundamentalists and they must be dealt also. However, bombing an abortion clinic is slightly different than ramming a plane into 2 of the worlds largest buildings (or, in the future if we slack off, setting of other types of weapons) for the sole purpose of killing as many civilians as possible.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by GT40FIED

He wouldn't have to if christians didn't HAVE fundamentalists. Anyone who blows up an abortion clinic or kills a doctor (ironically to stop what they deem murder) is pretty radical. Now I'm not trying to shit in your cereal, but c'mon...every group of people has their crazies.

the two aren't comparable, look at the magnitude. Also when was the last time this happened?

[V8killimports]

Christians, Catholics, all religions have ALL had their share of horrors.. None are exempt. I believe religion is a horrible thing and only gives people to hate eachother. The Holy Crusades were a tragedy itself.. as was the spanish inquisition.. etc.

[thermal]

.... Should we? No. Let another (used to be) "super power" [since U.S.A. is really the only "true" super power left] handle that shit. This will only mean more troops deployed. None of the wars in that corner of the word will ever stop......

Fuk it, let Israel kick their ass. We are gonna end up supplying Israelis with weapons anyway.........

[V8killimports]

Yea.. f that.. Israel should take care of them I hope.. I have had my share of that shit in the last 4 years. I could do without, and really think Iran will be ugly due to many factors.