Why don't white people riot?

[GT40FIED]

Ok...maybe it's the alcohol talking, but after much thought as a result of rampid boredom, I've come to realize that I can't remember one instance of white folks rioting. Sure, there were a few opportunists in the L.A. riots and some protesters at Berkley and Kent State in the 60's, but for the most part white folks stay out of it. To add to my theory, I popped in my copy of American History X (the movie that in every way and for every reason owns us all). All over the world you see riots in Asia, Africa, South America and whatnot that are usually born of some egrigious civil liberties violation, but almost all (I can't say all...I don't know that for a fact) of the riots you see in the U.S. are mostly on the part of minorities (Watts, Kent State, L.A., etc.). Perhaps it's that these people lack a sense of community. Perhaps it's because they know opportunism when they see it. I really don't know why but for some reason it angers me. When I get pissed I don't go out and loot stores and overturn cars. Please note that I intend for this for in no way to be racist...it's just my observation. Perhaps someone else can explain to me why these people want to ransack their own communities cuz it's a mystery to me.

I think it has to do with the fact that right now the favour is in the minorities hands. If they riot a.) they won't get stopped/arrested as fast or else they'll scream "discrimination against us" b.) they usually have more to riot about in the sense that they can say there were discriminated but white people can't (even though nowadays they technically do but with all the "political correctness" (which you discussed int he other thread), since white people are the majority, they cannot be discriminated against.
I frankly find all this racism/discrimination/I can't riot crap bullshit. How come if I say nigger to a black person...or frankly even call him black he'll get mad and/or scream discrimination, but that same person can go and say "hey white boy, go drink your vanilla shake" or some shit like that. Odd situation we live in.

Too put it into perspective, if you're white, male under the age of 25, you're in a ****ed up position. On one side you can get slapped with sexism, on the other racism and on the third agism (lol) What can you do though...

[mylittlecivic]

theres lots of white riots, they just usually arent that big

[nonovurbizniz]

my sister's white... she's been arrested for "rioting" (disturbing the peace and un-orderly assembly) SEVERAL TIMES...

White people "riot" in lots of ways...

A. Anti-fur people throughing cans of paint on fur ladden people
B. Green peace "riots" on just about every occaision they can...
C. Political protests
D. Sporting events

The easiest and most clearly appropriate would be sporting events...

Win or lose people start breaking crap... destroying the hometown they're allegedly celebrating...

Hell look at the last woodstock... that was a riot.

[AzCivic]

GT40 you bring up some retarded(wrong) points sometimes.

[Shaved &/or Laid]

repost.

[Shaved &/or Laid]

that OR hes right

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by AzCivic
GT40 you bring up some retarded(wrong) points sometimes.

Look, if you're gonna post just for the sake of disagreement, don't. You're wasting your and everyone's time. Name the last time you saw a riot on the same scale as the '92 L.A. riots or Watts done by white folks and then we'll talk.

[AzCivic]

no white riots? do a little research:

July 11, 1863
Poor white immigrants begin rioting in New York in anti-draft riots. 1,200 people will be killed over the next two days. The riots start when wealthy people are allowed to buy their way out of military service and the poorer citizens blame African Americans for causing the war

Boston tea party

plenty of riots during the great depression

plenty of stupid riots about sports

pleny of riots involving 2 groups of people fighting about one thing or another

[AzCivic]

hmmm 54 people died in the '93 riots, several hundred died in the anti-draft riots.

but i guess since news camera's werent there you probably dont think it was a big deal

[GT40FIED]

Way to go...you've successfully referenced events that, in their majority, happened over 75 years ago. While that doesn't negate them, there's been immeasureable social change since then. First of all, let me state that I should've made myself more clear. My intent was not to imply that white people have never rioted in the history of the world...merely that they're infinitely less inclined to do so. As far as death toll...that's only one way to measure an event's impact. While L.A. was lucky enough to get away with only 52 dead (not 54), the property damage was in the hundreds of millions. To add to that, the majority of businesses looted and destroyed were black owned (though Koreans were hit hard too). Also, this happened in these people's back yards which shows a complete lack of any sense of community or solidarity. And why mention the Boston Tea Party? That's not so much a riot as a political statement...it wasn't an opportunistic smash and grab (and you should be thankful it happened. Our country may have been infinitely different without it.). As for sports riots...sure, they happen but don't belittle real events or yourself by saying a bunch of drunken schmucks pushing over light poles compares in any way on any scale to what happened in L.A. in '92 or Watts in '68 and again in '69. Besdies, can you prove to me that those events are commited by an exclusively or even a majority of a white crowd? Since you've shown such wonderful proficiency at using your computer's search function, I suppose I should throw a couple more in:

May 17, 1980: A three-day race riot breaks out after an all-white jury acquits four white Miami police officers of killing Arthur McDuffie, a black insurance salesman. The cops had beaten him with their flashlights and billyclubs, and he died in the hospital. 18 fatalities and more than $100 million in property damage are the final result.

Jan 16, 1989: Three days of race riots begin in Overtown, Miami when a black man fleeing on motorcycle is killed by a hispanic police officer. 125 blocks are sealed off during the riots.

Now you mean to tell me that either of those 2 compares in any way to some soccer hooligan riot? Here's something else you probably haven't thought of...why didn't white people riot when O.J. was found not guilty? It seemed so easy to riot when 4 white cops were found not guilty of beating a black guy but not when a black man was found not guilty of killing 2 white people? Sure, as police officers they hold a certain responsibility and, in my personal opinion, should've been found guilty. But O.J.'s wife and her male friend weren't doing 120mph down the highway hyped up on PCP and alcohol and they didn't try to attack police officers. I remember exactly where I was when that verdit for O.J. was read. I was in high school waiting for my lunch break. All of the black kids hooted and hollered and all the white kids just shook their heads. They didn't pick up bats and bottles and take to the streets. That's my point. For the most part (though not all of the time) white people seem to me to be less inclined to commit acts of violence for things that are not directly (or even indirectly) related to themselves or their primordial group. I could be wrong...but I doubt it.

On a side note, if you insist on polluting every one of the threads I make, please just send me PMs. Your precident of posting irrelevent bullshit does nothing but waste everyone's time, including your own. I'm sure you have this ill-founded idea that I don't think about anything I say (and to a certain extent that's true...excessive though and rewording of your ideas makes them less your own) or that I'm wrong about everything...but that's something for a PM. In other words, just don't post unless you have something that's actually relevent to say.

[IALuder]

well maybe, gt40 white people actually dont give a **** and have more money and power then the others so we decide if it doesnt effect how are lifes go on then screw it.

maybe, white people have respect for others in the sense of not destroying someones personal belongs. just cuase o.j. was found not guilty.

the minoritys have everything to ***** about even if it doesnt really matter or effect there life. they ***** and moan for the hell of it. they have nothing else to do. more then 55% of crimes are committed by minortys. 60% of minoritys drop out of school. they end up with shitty jobs shitty pay and shitty life style. so to make everyone realize their "pain" they try to make us feel sorry for them by doing stupid things.

[Daviso27]

Minorities riot for a cause (LA's Rodney King issue, Miami's riot when the police killed that little cuban kid, NY's riot when the police killed that unarmed Haitian guy, etc.)...White people get drunk and riot because their home team wins the championship...

[Daviso27]

Originally posted by SFKing
the minoritys have everything to ***** about even if it doesnt really matter or effect there life. they ***** and moan for the hell of it. they have nothing else to do. more then 55% of crimes are committed by minortys. 60% of minoritys drop out of school. they end up with shitty jobs shitty pay and shitty life style. so to make everyone realize their "pain" they try to make us feel sorry for them by doing stupid things.

Thats funny...I know a couple of white dudes that have done some outlandesh-Sh!t...David Coresh-That Focker thought he was Jesus,...That Peterson guy...He killed his wife and his soon to be born child...then traded his mising/dead wife's car for a big-ass truck 2 days after she dissapeared...That Robert Blake Guy..Killed his wife...Those Menedez brothers...yes they where as white as can be...Killed their Parents...That white lady that killed her children and blamed it on a black guy...I can go on for days...Those are real stupid acts...Then they all want us to feel sorry for them...except for David Coresh (or Koresh WTF)....it goes both ways...Watch COPS it is not just minorities...you will say some dumbass, crackheadass white people (or MAJORITIES) selling their asses to undercover cops for coke or D.

[GT40FIED]

Originally posted by Daviso27
Minorities riot for a cause (LA's Rodney King issue, Miami's riot when the police killed that little cuban kid, NY's riot when the police killed that unarmed Haitian guy, etc.)...White people get drunk and riot because their home team wins the championship...

Those aren't causes...they're events. While they're generally tragic in nature (with the exception of Rodney King...that's just tough luck. The guy needed to get arrested and even restrained...the cops just took it too far.) Oddly enough the REAL causes that they could riot about, they don't...such as the civil rights movement. That was largely a peaceful protest...not a bunch of out and out riots. Revenge isn't a cause...it's a reaction and while it's something everyone has a sense of, many of us no matter what color know how to control it. And again, I'd like someone to show me proof that everyone who riots after a sports game is white. That's an equal opportunity act of stupidity. Yeah...no doubt white people do some stupid shit but we're not offing each other in record numbers OR being incarcerated in largely uneven numbers vs. other nationalities. You know why you know all of those people's names that you listed off? While, on one hand their crimes had a degree of haenousness to them, they may have very well made the news specifically because they were white. As sad as it is, most people who watch Fox news or their local news don't consider a black man commiting a crime news. Hell...I've seen some studies say that while black people make up 12.7% of the population they contribute to over 60% of violent crimes. So white folks aren't the only ones that are crazy. As for COPS...you're right, but still the number of people getting arrested on that show is heavily minority. I'd love to work for that show...they seem to have this 6th sense for finding the dumbest people America has to offer.

[AzCivic]

i could waste even more time and argue every stupid point you've made but you have a retarded argument against every piece of common sense out there so whats the point.

[GT40FIED]

Brilliant rebutle...simply stunning.

[AzCivic]

hows this:
"While L.A. was lucky enough to get away with only 52 dead (not 54), the property damage was in the hundreds of millions. To add to that, the majority of businesses looted and destroyed were black owned (though Koreans were hit hard too). Also, this happened in these people's back yards which shows a complete lack of any sense of community or solidarity. And why mention the Boston Tea Party? That's not so much a riot as a political statement...it wasn't an opportunistic smash and grab (and you should be thankful it happened. Our country may have been infinitely different without it.). As for sports riots...sure, they happen but don't belittle real events or yourself by saying a bunch of drunken schmucks pushing over light poles compares in any way on any scale to what happened in L.A. in '92 or Watts in '68 and again in '69. Besdies, can you prove to me that those events are commited by an exclusively or even a majority of a white crowd?"

apparently you place more importance on property than on human life, way to go

the boston tea party was just that a freakin riot, just because no one was killed and buildings werent burned down it was still a rise against those who they felt controlled them, and property was destroyed.

yes there arent many riots about white people trying to create havok since white people werent discriminated against since the birth of this country, you really are stupid to bring this up, especially the part about there not being any riots associated with the civil rights movement when all of the riots you pointed out were just that.

i like how you put race up as a reason for everything, like the oj trial. being rich and famous had nothing to do with huh? no rich/famous person has ever gotten off have they?

[GT40FIED]

Wow...I wasn't aware that being discriminated against was cause for violence. Strange...seeing as how MLK Jr., Ghandi, and Nelson Mandela were all discriminated against and won their causes without ANY violence. And you're wrong...none of the instances I mentioned had anything to do with civil rights or the civil rights movement (with maybe the exception of Watts). They were acts of vengeance and, as I said in my reply to Daviso, many of us can control that feeling. I don't place property damage above human life...I merely mentioned that there is more than one way to measure the extent of what these events cause. You seem to like to read a lot into my thoughts...and you're almost always incorrect. I also don't appreciate your indirect inference that I'm a racist. The only reason that I mention race as a precursor to any of this is because it's just a fact. Why do you think that Reginald Deny guy was the only one pulled out of a moving vehicle and beaten half to death? Why does it matter why O.J. got off? I didn't mention that as a matter of race...in fact he beat the odds. I mentioned it as an opposition to the events that followed the Rodney King trial where 4 no-name cops were aquitted. So you're right...it's all about money and fame. I won't claim that society even today is perfect...far from it. But minorities have it better now than they ever have and it's going to keep getting better. Does that mean they have to settle for what they've got right now? Absolutely not. But is it cause to take violent actions to get more? No. Discrimination is NOT an adequate cause to brutalize your own neighborhood or take another person's life. Hell...I'm discriminated against every day simply for the way I look. Not once have I taken violent recourse against the people who look down on me. It's a matter of self restraint and common sense. What would violence get me? Probably not more than a trip to court. But if there were 20,000 copies of me and I decided to start a riot, I'd be more anonymous. Instead of firing off about "you're retarded" this and "you know nothing" that, why don't you start asking questions instead of making accusations? If you're so sure that you're right then analyze that...don't just fly off the handle because you THINK you're right.Look around and see that race factors into many of the things you'll encounter in your life...violence being one of them.

[AzCivic]

"Not once have I taken violent recourse against the people who look down on me" so maybe not you but for others its ok...

"Ohiochica...I know what you mean. I worked at a summer camp for special needs kids (autistic, CP, Downs, BD, etc.) for 2 summers in a row and I couldn't believe what people said/did when we took them on field trips. The only reason I wasn't invited back for another year was because I decked a guy that was teasing on of our autistic kids (I wasn't fired only because the kid's parents fought like hell to keep me on)."

so lets take this situation amplify it by 10000, could be a riot couldnt it?

who says when the civil rights movement ends? until stupid converstions like this are a thing of the past, its still going. visit the s. eastern us if you think everything is happy go lucky for minorities.

also i'm not reading crap into your thoughts, only giving my opinion based on what you type.

[GT40FIED]

As for what I did at my old job...no excuses. It was wrong but it still didn't have anything to do with me. That kid was more or less defenseless and I'd had a hard day. Like I said...no excuses, but it's not the same. That's called semantics. As far as the southeast is concerned...I've been there. Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Louisiana...I honestly don't see any reason to take violent recourse. Let's be clear about one thing...the civil right movement as such ended a long time ago and this htread has nothing to do with it. Not to say say the struggle for MORE civil rights isn't still prevelant, but it's not the same as it was back in the day. You can give your opinion all you want...doesn't mean it's right or that I have to agree. You have, however, taken many of my thoughts and words into a context into which they weren't meant to be taken. That's what I call reading into things.

[IALuder]

***** fight

No it's just one person speaking up for something that is really discouraged to be talked about and only agreed with nowadays. You can't question their motify, you can only nod your head and say "I understand".

[IALuder]

of just ignore it and move one.

[GT40FIED]

Yeah...ignore it...great idea. Let's just ignore all of the prejudices and reasons people hate each other rather than exploring them. It's easy to say or even assume that people will never really get along but it's more involved to question why that is.

[esthirteen]

wow, who cares?

Obviously the people that are replying do.

[esthirteen]

who cares?

[IALuder]

^ no shit. everyone is different we all think different when someone says something and you disagree its a choice to become mad about it and argue about it or talk about it civilized.

but im say i would just walk away and ignore them. im not going to riot cuase i disagree. its a matter of opinion and you cant change anyones mind unless you got solid facts they cant prove wrong. in most cases that doesnt even work. when i realized it didnt work and people are ignorant i decided never to care about anything unless it changed my lifestyle or how i live my life.

why white people dont riot. LAZYNESS and we dont give a ****.

[nonovurbizniz]

white people riot plenty...

Like I mentioned almost ALL of the people envolved with the seattle, italian, and other WTO meetings were ALL riots and ALL of them were majority white...

GT you say that the conviction of an inoccent black man (or whatever other minority) or the release of an obviously guilty white man in a race related crime is an "event" not "cause"...

Well that's interesting as my sister was DIRECTLY envolved with the Abner Luima CAUSE in NYC after he was BRUTALY beaten having NEVER done so much as a single thing. Not to mention the MURDER of Amadou Diallo... he was reaching for his wallet.

They raised money for both of their defenses' as well as providing both moral and logistical support to the families...

You can spout of B.S. as much as you like and convalute the truth as much as makes you happy... doesn't make it any less of an ignorant statement...

Start pulling over white people and harrassing them, shooting white people going for their wallets, beat the snot out of a white business man while he's on the ground OBVIOUSLY not putting up a fight or presenting ANY kind of threat... see how civily the white population responds when the victims get no justice...

Darn those wiley negroes...

Riots and civil dis-obedience are usually more related to economic station in life, or degree of political/religious passion as opposed to the color of your skin.

Obviously people in the L.A. riots were being far more exploitive than political... but to compare it to the Watt's riots is rediculous..

If you had ANY clue as to the living conditions for blacks in Watts as well as the BATTERY of civil rights abuses put to them you'd begin to understand their frustration which eventually led to violence...

And to compare normal people or a whole population to 3 VERY A-TYPICAL leaders is just pretentious... To say that if you do any less than ghandi, mandella, or king you suck is just rediculous...

How many times has America been passive in it's attempts at change... NEVER... south doesn't like the north... we fight... Pres. doesn't like Saddam... We FIGHT.... Panamanians "can't manage" "their" canal... oh we'll just hold that with military force indefinately...

Can't imagine why people revolt, riot, or attack us....

[GT40FIED]

Oh please...people think it's all sunshine and lollipops being a white man in this country. True, you don't have the same problems as blacks or hispanics...you have different ones. Like the fact that you have to tip toe around every little issue that can evenly remotely be construed as racially motivated. Or that you get blamed for just about everything that goes wrong with a minority ethnic group. If you look at census numbers, white people make up a sizeably higher percentage of households below the poverty line than anyone, so don't tell me it's all about poverty and injustice. By that logic the numbers on crime and violence should be flipped. And yes, plenty of people of all ethnic backgrounds have been shot reaching for their wallets, cell phones, whatever. As for your "cause" arguement...yes, a person being killed is an event. A cause is when you raise money for something or someone. Now while your sister may have raised money for a cause, the killing itself and the actions that followed were events. I won't sit here and argue that it's right...it's not. But to pretend it only happens to minorities is a joke. When black people get pulled over for what you may see as frivilous, they scream racism or racial profiling. I'd say it's reality. If you haven't done anything you've got nothing to worry about. Cops pull teenagers over for the same reasons...they're statistically more likely to be doing something wrong. Does this make every black man and teenager a criminal automatically? No. But it's a pretty moot point to complain about being pulled over after they find out the car's stolen or they pull a bag of dope off of the driver. I was pulled over once for drivinng 36 in a 30mph zone by a black cop. He asked me out of the car and almost insisted that I let him search it. I did and after about 30 minutes of my time had been wasted he let me go without a ticket. Was that racist? If it was I better start making some noise or else I'll be left out. Siting links between crime and poverty is just a polarizer. Plenty of people living in poverty are well meaning people who are working their asses off to etch out a better life. As for Watts...I'm not saying that the adgenda behind it was wrong, but the ends don't always justify the means. There are better ways to get people's attention than by burning down your own f@cking neighborhood. That just goes back to my point about a lack of a community sense. And please don't pretend to know what it was like in Watts in '68. You weren't there and neither was I and don't even pretend a history book or documentary can tell the whole story. Also, please don't pretend to have the end all-be all knowledge of what justice is. Justice is an opinion...it's different for everyone and there's rarely a clear example of what justice really is. As for our aggressive actions against those we dislike or can't control...I couldn't agree more. But here's the thing...the government in the country is (at least in theory) elected by EVERYONE who is eligible to vote. If you don't like the way things are going, change them. Every American citizen has the right to vote after you turn 18...when you don't you get morons elected who make moron decisions that put our country in moron positions, like the one we're in now. I must say you made much better points than some of the other posters here, but I still don't agree. There's just too much rhetoric between the truths to take in.