gas quality

[racerface562]

Does gas quality make that much of a difference? Here's my case....I had a CEL come and and never go off, even when I D/C the battery. Now I use 91 octane gas, and I d/c my battery and now the CEL is gone, been gone for 3 days. Should I expect it to come back? From what I can recall...the CEL was due to random misfire.

[Civic_RedLine]

I would use premium gas if the car I'm driving requires premium. If it doesnt require premium, I'd still use it knowing that it is a waste of money. Unless you have turbo/nitrous/supercharger. Then you should use premium, even though the car doesnt require it.

For a difference, I never felt anything different. I did however see more mileage, but it might be because I filled it up all the way.

[pdiggitydogg]

you should have pulled the code, instead of just resetting the ecu...then you wouldve known what the problem was.
I say, run this tank of pointless premium out and then switch back over to regular 87. If the cell returns, pull the code and fix it right instead of bandaid-ing it

[JDMFantasy2k]

Originally posted by Civic_RedLine
I would use premium gas if the car I'm driving requires premium. If it doesnt require premium, I'd still use it knowing that it is a waste of money. Unless you have turbo/nitrous/supercharger. Then you should use premium, even though the car doesnt require it.

For a difference, I never felt anything different. I did however see more mileage, but it might be because I filled it up all the way.

be educated my son

(taken from http://www.speedupgrade.com/articles...92608/5136.htm)

“I only use super/premium/performance/ high octane fuel in my Civic DX. I can feel the power…”

This is probably one of the biggest misconceptions in the automotive world, as we know it. Yet, I hear this all the time. For example a close friend of mine who drives a 1996 Pontiac Bonneville tells me that he only uses Chevron 92 octane fuel because “It performs so much better, and my fuel economy is way higher.” This opinion or misconception is not an isolated view to the “gear-heads” that are or think they are car savvy. And the oil companies don’t help the matter by calling their high-octane fuels “Performance” or “Premium,” or whatever they choose. Here is why.

The first thing we have to know is obviously, what is octane and why does it matter? Octane can be simply defined in one sentence: Octane is a rating of a fuels resistance to ignite (evaporative qualities). WAIT A MINUTE! Resistance? That’s right, resistance. To put it simply, the higher the octane, the harder it is to get to ignite. Higher-octane fuel resists burning. Lower-octane fuel does not. Lower-octane fuel is actually more explosive, move volatile, and creates a much bigger explosion then its higher-octane counter-part.

When you go to the pump to fill your car, you generally have three options. Regular, mid-grade, and super. You also see that there is a rating system. It is a sticker posted to the pump next to the octane rating of the fuel that you choose. It generally says something like this. Regular for example: 87 Octane minimum, measured by using the (R+M)/2 rating. What does this mean? The R in the equation stands for Research Octane Rating, known as RON. This is a test that tries to simulate variables that your car would go through on a given day. It is a test using a single cylinder, four-stroke engine that is idling at 600rpm. The fuel temperature going into the engine is not controlled. It is allowed to vary and fluctuate with the temperature of the conditions at the time. The intake air temperature is varied with barometric pressure to simulate the air being sucked into the car from the outside. The timing is set at 13° BTDC. This is done to covert everything to a SAE standard day, which is 60° F, 0% Humidity, and 29.92 inches barometric pressure.

The M in the equation stands for Motor Octane Rating, known as MON. When testing MON, the fuel is heated to 300° F and the intake air is heated to 100° F. The test engine is a single cylinder 4-cycle engine that is run at 900 rpm. Ignition timing is varied with compression ratio. Engine load is varied during test. If you are deciding what fuel to use on a high-compression, high-performance engine, this is the test you would want to use. The RON will always be higher than the MON.

So what does this all mean when you go to the pump? It means that to extract the most from the car that you are driving, you have to use the appropriate octane fuel or the car is not going to perform up to its potential. Either the fuel will burn too slowly, and in many cases not burn completely, or it will burn too fast and out of control. The latter is called Detonation. Normal combustion will take place at a pretty steady rate (for a given rpm and load), when a large amount of the charge burns extremely fast and uncontrollably, it is know as detonation. Detonation can destroy an engine in a matter of seconds. There are a few causes of detonation. Usually it is attributed to too much heat, but that is only part of the problem. Pressure and advanced ignition timing both play a role in it too. Usually when detonation takes place, the detonation occurs on the intake side of the chamber, which is the coolest side of the chamber. This happens because detonation did not occur until the pressure got excessive, which was after the spark. By the time that happened, the charge near the exhaust valve has already been burned. Most of the time, detonation will occur after normal combustion has started. Apart from destroying pistons and spark plugs, light detonation can cause all sorts of other problems, like fatiguing cranks and rods quickly and pounding bearings to death, so avoid detonation at all costs.

Another problem is Pre-ignition (for cars using octane that is too low). When the charge lights off before the spark, it's called pre-ignition. This can happen with or without detonation, but usually will cause detonation in a high performance engine. Hot spots in the combustion chamber are the usual cause of pre-ignition. This is very unpredictable and can lead to detonation, because it will act just like too much ignition timing, but it won’t be controllable.

So this is what happens in cars that use octane ratings that are too low, but what about vise-versa? Generally, the problem with using an octane rating that is too high for your car causes problems that, while not generally as severe as going too low, are still detrimental to the performance and efficiency of your engine. One of the most common problems is lost power. Yes, you read that right, if you use an octane of fuel that is too high for your car, you will lose power. This goes for all the stock or lightly modded Civics out there. Remember when we discussed that octane measures the fuels resistance to burn? Well, this is where that really comes into play in a low compression engine, such as the engines found in 90% of all streetcars. As the fuel is injected into the combustion chamber and the compression stroke begins, cylinder pressure is created. This is vital to combustion as cylinder pressure is what translates into power. When that pressure is not high enough (low-compression), the fuel only partially ignites. This means that there is leftover fuel that has to be expelled through the exhaust valves and expelled through the exhaust. This is bad for several reasons. The first is that this un-burnt fuel leaves deposits and grime all over the cylinder and valves. This robs you of power, fuel economy, and wears engine components pre-maturely. There is also a vital part of any streetcar, the emissions control devices. The catalyst for example often is destroyed by being clogged with carbon and un-burnt fuel resulting from using too high-octane. This results in costly repairs, and guess what? The loss of power and lower fuel economy. Not to mention, you had to pay $.20 more per gallon just to lower your cars potential and performance. So you guys that think that adding 100 octane race gas to your Civic Ex at the track is going to improve your times, you are running in the wrong direction unless you have some kind of forced induction such as Nitrous, Turbo, or Super Chargers.

So the next question people ask is, “Why then do high-power, ultra-fast cars use high octane fuel?” Well the answer is simple. Higher-octane fuel contains more POTENTIAL energy but requires the higher heat generated by higher compression ratio engines to properly condition the fuel to RELEASE that higher potential energy. Here is the general rule for choosing octane if you have a question of what it should be. If your compression is 9.5:1 or lower, 87 octane should be plenty. As your compression rises, so should the octane that you choose.

Remember that there are variables to everything in life and this is no exception. If you have dramatically advanced ignition timing for example, high-octane may be needed. But for the vast majority of the people on the street, for optimal performance in your streetcar, use the octane best suited for your car, and remember, high-octane does not mean more power!

Coby Burns

[AkimboStylee]

Originally posted by Civic_RedLine
I would use premium gas if the car I'm driving requires premium. If it doesnt require premium, I'd still use it knowing that it is a waste of money. Unless you have turbo/nitrous/supercharger. Then you should use premium, even though the car doesnt require it.

For a difference, I never felt anything different. I did however see more mileage, but it might be because I filled it up all the way.

what the hell, can you explain to me waht the hell you just said?

[KwikR6]

I like Regular. Works fine for a car that only needs it. IT'S A FUCKING D SERIES@!@! It's NA and...it doesn't have high compression. Regular works just fine for me. Until I have a fully built b18c5 or b16b doesn't matter. Anyway do do do la la la.

[Civic_RedLine]

main point I said was premium is pointless, but its still better than regular. I get premium fill-ups for $15. That is the only reason I use it every so-often.

[pdiggitydogg]

at that same reasoning, you could get regular fillups for like $11-12 and still be at the same level

[AkimboStylee]

exactly, and never use a bottle of octane boost, they clog your injectors

[AzCivic]

Originally posted by Civic_RedLine
main point I said was premium is pointless, but its still better than regular.

what part of premium is better than regular when your car only needs regular???

[AkimboStylee]

if you run premium on a car not designed to be using premium, it cause extra carbon bulid up, from the extra octane being burned, in all honesty, i use regular, and i wont fill my car up with premium, cause it is too damned expensive

[94_AcCoRd_EX]

Originally posted by Civic_RedLine
main point I said was premium is pointless, but its still better than regular.

Read up on the subject. Even just read this thread in its entirety. Why do you think that it is better?

[Civic_RedLine]

Ive ran premium for months and I didnt experience anything bad with it.

[RxGoaT13]

I'm sure it's over a longer period of time.The point is it's doing nothing positive for your car,if anything its doing something negative.bottom line,you should use whats right for your car.

[AkimboStylee]

pull your plugs and look at them, pull your fuel filter and look at it, and look at your air filter, belive me, a few months of running premium i had to replace all of that, cause i was just just like you, ignorant about the whole subject. i thought well hey it is available and they wouldn't sell it to me if it hurt anything, well i thought wrong.

[AzCivic]

uhhh you shouldnt have had to replace any of that just because you ran premium gas.

[AkimboStylee]

i had extra carbon build up cause i ran premium in a car that was not designed for it, i ran premium for almost a year, and that stuff did some nasty stuff to my plugs

[AzCivic]

what does that have to do w/ your air filter/fuel filter?

[AkimboStylee]

they also had heavy carbon build up, after i replaced them and stop using premium gas, no more extra build up

[AzCivic]

no they didnt, but ok.

[Shaved &/or Laid]

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octane gas in my car for JMD power cause its bettare !1one

/berating