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11-04-2003, 10:30 PM
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would this work?
Could i take the turbo off of a RX-7 and slap it on my non rotary engine?I wasnt sure or not but it should right?
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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11-04-2003, 11:05 PM
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I don't know much about turbos but i think u might be able to with some modifications. I could be wrong.
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11-04-2003, 11:27 PM
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My guess is hooking it up isn't the problem. Given the size and nature of a rotary engine my guess is that it would spool up waaaayyyyy too soon. You'd probably be getting boost at idle (which sounds cool but will melt the turbo toot sweet). If you could change the housing and get a more desirable A/R ratio then you might be able to get it to work...but that's a big if. If you want a turbo that's a bit more compatible with another engine, go to a junkyard and look for a '87-'88 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe. T03 turbos baby.
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11-05-2003, 12:42 AM
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^ haha so so ghetto, but I guess if it works, then what the hell why not
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11-05-2003, 12:51 AM
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i dont feel like typing anything and your responce is almost on par with what i was thinking... so i quote it
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11-05-2003, 12:52 AM
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Actually this has been pretty common among Mustangers for a year of two (since they caught on that turbo'ing is better than superchargering). You'd go out to the junkyard, yank a T03 off of a T-bird, send it off to Turbonetics to be rebuilt and have the housing tweaked, take your driver's side header and turn it upside down, elongate the bolt holes and custom fab some piping, misc lines and fittings (possibly an IC if you had the $$$) and boom...you've got one cheap ass turbo system.
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11-05-2003, 11:52 PM
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wouldn't that affect the balancing of the engine since one of the cylinder banks would have do deal with more bacckpressure than the other ?
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11-06-2003, 12:01 AM
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Not enough to really matter. It's just like any single turbo kit. And even with a properly designed twin kit the results would be the same. A good twin kit would have one smaller turbo for good response and one larger one that kicked in higher in rpm band so you'd still have more backpressure on one bank than the other. T03s are fairly small turbos...about the smallest you could realistically run on an engine the size of a 5.0L. When it's not spooling the turbo really isn't an issue at all and when it is spooling the extra cylinder pressure helps make up for the difference. It's not perfect, but it's cheap and effective.
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11-06-2003, 12:07 AM
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i see now. how many psi can the t03 boost ? i am seriously considering a custom tirbo for my car
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11-06-2003, 12:28 AM
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In stock form (from a Turbo Coupe) I wouldn't trust it much past 10psi or so. If you could steal one from an SVO I'd say it'd be a bit higher. A friend of mine took the turbo from his SVO and sent it off to Turbonetics and had them make it a T03/04 hybrid that pushed 18psi. On a Honda motor though, I'd go for bigger CFM and a little less psi since the greater airflow will eventually create a little more psi than rated anyway. You could also go Grand National on your car's ass. You can get a GN replacement turbo from Turbonetics for really f@ckin cheap. Something like $250 for just the turbo I think. Then there's modified versions and whatnot. The Garrett GT series turbos would be good too...they've got models specifically designed for smaller engines.
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11-06-2003, 09:19 AM
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So im going to the junkyard today andjust gonng ask him if the have anything that is turbod in there...
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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11-06-2003, 01:48 PM
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Go get the new Hot Rod magazine. It has all the formulas to decifer(sp) what size turbo you need for your engine. DON'T go to a junk yard
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11-06-2003, 02:07 PM
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I'm with Guywithastang on this one...you can't just go and ask for anything and everything they've got that's got a turbo on it. You need to take things into account like turbo size, housing, compressor wheel, A/R ratio, bolt pattern, etc. I haven't seen the Hot Rod article, but I'll bet it's semi-accurate (as is most stuff in their mag). Also, don't hit the junkyard unless you plan on spending the extra money to have the turbo rebuilt. There are tons of places that'll do this (most do it for diesel and heavy equipment applications but are able to do it for just about anything) for reasonably cheap. Anything you yank off of a car in a boneyard has probably been sitting there for too long to be of any real good without a rebuild. Edit - You're sig doesn't mention what type of car/motor you've got but you'll probably need a smaller than average turbo unless you're going big time. Also, I think I was wrong about the Turbo Coupe turbos...I think they're IHIs. The SVOs had the T03s.
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11-07-2003, 09:22 AM
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it is ok i went yesterday and they hadlike 2 cars but neither on had the turbo on it.......sorry about the no spaces every now and thenmy keyboard at school spacebar dont work right....
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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11-07-2003, 04:45 PM
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the thunderbirds and the probe turbo's are IHI's... VERY good turbo's imo... they also come on subaru legacy turbo wagons... they are VERY small but will suit a 1.6-2.4 L engine fine... they won't produce much boost though... like 6-8... 10psi MAX.
The Turbo 4 Mustangs and I think Merkur's had the T03... IHI are water/oil cooled which is MUCH better than being just oil cooled... and they spool Very fast... As far as the rotary turbo's... I'm not sure which one's on it... I can find out tonight though (my buddy has one). but they're NO smaller than an ihi or a t03... the 1.3 L B.S. about rotories is just that Bull Sh!t... they have 3 FULL Intake,Ignition,Power,Exhaust cycles PER ROTATION... it takes a 4 banger 4 rotations to get 1 full cycle... rotories put out a LOT of volume... the true displacement works out to 2.something mid to high 2 liter though... The turbo should be fine... I'll make sure I'm not wrong tonight though. If I were you I'd look for any turbo off any car of similar displacement... preferably water/oil cooled (has 4 lines coming out of the cartridge instead of 2)... Oh and I have LOTS of saab turbo's if you want.
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11-08-2003, 11:04 PM
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If you have so many saab turbos why isnt your car turbod? When i went the sunbird had a 2L in it also and so did the Labaron...then i saw this turboed 350 in a van.....i almost cried...
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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11-09-2003, 01:04 PM
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It's not just a matter of having a turbo... You still need: an intercooler (have them too) Charge piping (same deal... it's saab stuff but I can cut/paste to fit) Turbo manifold (HF manifold would due but doesn't allow for the use of an external wastegate and the flow probobly eats a$$ on them) BOV (we've got a bunch of bosch universal ones (again though they suck)) AND Most importantly Fuel. I'm not going to turbo my car without injectors and a fuel computer... maybe something as cheap as a SMC but I'd prefer hondata or the like. Then you get into having to tune it... and get it to run reliably... It's a headache I'm not going to dive into till I have AT MINIMUM a second car for a daily driver... Money enough to spend on PROPER fuel management... I've got 2 kids and a wife that doesn't drive... so blowing up my engine for sh!ts and giggles isn't exactly in the plans... Oh and there is 168k miles and counting on my car... so It certainly wouldn't be smart to do it without tearing down the block and rebuilding some stuff. I was working on doing it a while back but when money got tight I sold all the parts I had aquired... All I'd really need to spend serious money on now would be the fuel computer and injectors... But I don't have the 20-40 bucks for the HF manifold much less 800 or so for a hondatat/injectors.
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11-09-2003, 01:06 PM
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Oh and a downpipe... probobly the biggest pain in the a$$ because you not only need to get the downpipe flange or get the stock downpipe you need to weld a pipe to meet your cat...
It'll happen eventually but I'm in no rush... and don't have the money to do it now.
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11-10-2003, 05:44 PM
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Entire Turbo setup off a Talon TSi i think the turbo is the T-25 but im not sure what about this? Do you think it should be fine because it came off a 2.0l and thats what its going on?
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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11-10-2003, 05:46 PM
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Its a 15G turbo. |
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11-11-2003, 12:08 AM
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what kind of car do you have?
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11-11-2003, 09:21 AM
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I have the 2002 civic si.....
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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11-11-2003, 12:19 PM
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what manifold are you going to use?
if it's an aftermarket manifold I'd get it with an external wastegate flange and try to find a turbo w/o an internal wastegate (or disconect the stock one and weld the flap shut.)... that way you don't have to worry about a crappy stock wastegate... or it running too much boost out of the box. Porsche 944's had externally wastegated turbo's... I'm sure some other cars do too... I can't think of any others right now though...
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11-12-2003, 09:48 PM
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so yea tomorrow i am going to a friend that is a mechanic with his own shop and talk to him about it....seeing how much he will charge to install set up and tune the focker and fabricate the things i need.... Also found a kit at titan motor sports...
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me from another forum (im the top geekz0r) the geekz0r (11:03:46 PM): basicly, look at it this way...the 6speed is the same is the 5speed in 2,3,4,5,and 6...only the speeds are different because of the fd the geekz0r (11:04:16 PM): so 2nd pulls like 1st in the 5speed, 3rd is like 2nd, etc. PortugeeTex (11:04:26 PM): so whats 1st like then? the geekz0r (11:04:49 PM): 1st is like hitting a cheeta in the ass with a tazer PortugeeTex (11:04:53 PM): lmfao |
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