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Old 06-04-2002, 09:11 AM   #77
Mushroom
 
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name-calling

I'll try to avoid joining the name-calling here...

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Originally posted by 4jacks

Ok first of all Scientist do make up theories, that is why they are called theories, [...] This is why we do not have theories, in math class. Scientist make an educated guess, and call it a theory. History has proven 80% of this to be wrong.

Correction: History has proven 99.9% of science wrong. Scientific discovery builds upon prior discovery. Theory build upon prior theories by correcting, refining or refuting them. The "flat world" theory in science was a good theory based on the evidence available at the time. Galileo et al came up with a new theory based on new evidence and observations, which said "the world is round and this is why". Lots of other people did experiments and eventually agreed. (Even the church agreed, I think sometime in the 1990s) The same thing happens all the time, in every field. Quantum mechanics built upon Newtonian mechanics; Deviation evolution (Gould's model) replaced Darwin's theory.

I don't understand why mathematics is different. You don't talk about theories in Junior High math, granted, but mathematics is a science. What about number theory, the theory of probability, Pythagoras' theorem, Fermat's theorem, logic theory, recursion theory, and the recently repopularized invariant theory? Math is a more fundamental tool than science (you could say that math is tool to help model the science, which is a tool to help model the world), but not inherently different, or exempt from the scientific method.

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Second, If you don't believe in Love than you disagree with the rest of the world and you're obviously wrong.
There's no questioning this or debating this...

I don't accept any argument that says "everyone believes such-and-such." The wise man questions everything before deciding what to accept. I've been in love; I am in love, yet I question the nature of love.

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You can't deny the existence of good and Evil...

Many great thinkers, past and present, have tackled the question of whether Evil exists. The bible, however, does suggest that good and evil do exist, but that's not enough for me to accept it. [looking up for lightning bolt... whew! not this time...]

I don't think it's "obvious" that God exists. I don't think it's obvious that Love exists as some entity other than a human emotion. I don't think it's obvious that good and evil exist. Although I don't know the answers (literal translation: Ag+Nostic), I think these questions are not beyond reproach, and we shouldn't write them off by saying "everyone knows this" an "everyone knows that".

[edited 'cause I messed up my quoting]
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