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Sure...because things like singles groups and dean's lists are equally as complex as senate bills, right? I mean really...you can't simplify everyday things and try to relate them to bureacratic bullshit like congress.

I'm quite sure I'm not really professing anything...except maybe that the notion we should torture folks is wrong. And what the hell is it with you and the straw man argument? "What would be a better way to get info from someone? Set them up at the Ritz and grant any wish they have?". Of course not. Don't throw out retarded ideas like that knowing full well no one is suggesting that. That is the essence of a straw man agrument. I'd actually consider torturing people if there were some sort of criteria, liability, or if there was a chance of getting a significant amount of credible intelligence. There's only one reason why anyone would make something like this a big secret...so no one gets blamed when they fuck up and either kill someone "accidentally" or when they torture the wrong person. "But Steve, there's a chance one of them might give up something credible so we have to torture all of them!!!!". Right...and if Bush died tomorrow we might have a chance at getting this country back on track. Neither is going to happen so what's the point?