06-09-2005, 11:44 PM
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Location: Orlando, FL
Age: 41
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My buddy is an EMT and they get training on how to properly remove the barbs to have little pain and scarring.
That said, my local forum ( www.orlandoforums.com ) had a rather large discussion regarding this video. A member who is a city police officer summed it up like this.
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So let me get this straight:
1) She knows she is going to be arrested for driving on a suspended license.
2) She is currently on the phone giving someone directions as to where she is pulled over and that she is about to be arrested.
3) She already has ill will towards cops, afterall, her brother was arrested for no reason at all, which she clearly let the officer know.
4) She is not exiting the vehicle, even after three commands and the threat of being tased.
So, from what I gather from some of these posts; the cops should have given her more time which would allow:
1) Whoever she was talking to time to get on scene and further complicate the issue (possibly the brother who was falsely arrested).
2) Her to formulate a plan of attack.
3) Her time to consider driving away.
4) Her to arm herself.
I'm sorry, but on the street there is no room for second guessing or gray areas. A line has to be drawn in the sand and we have to stick to it otherwise someone could possibly get hurt. I've had people refuse to sign citations, which is an arrestable offense. I will give someone three oppurtunities to do so. My second and third request will inform them that they WILL be arrested for failure to sign. I don't budge from that, they have made a clear and concise decision, they were given ample warning and ample time to consider the outcome.
This incident runs along the same course. Ample time and warning was given and she made a choice. I will not fight with someone while they are in their car. They have the upper hand (ie. unknown weapons, the ability to drive the vehicle away which could send me to my death).
Some have suggested pepper spray. Now we would have a blind lunatic with a 3500 pound weapon at her disposal. Not to mention contamination if we go hands on and the 2 to 2 1/2 hr decontamination. In otherwords, she would be feeling the effects for that period of time.
And if you don't think it's that big of a deal to get someone out of their vehicle:
Deputy Sheriff Oscar Clarence Hill IV
Harris County Sheriff's Department
Texas
End of Watch: Saturday, July 22, 2000
Biographical Info
Age: 26
Tour of Duty: 3 yrs
Badge Number: 2028
Incident Details
Cause of Death: Vehicular assault
Date of Incident: Wednesday, June 21, 2000
Weapon Used: Automobile
Suspect Info: Charges pending
Deputy Hill died one month after being dragged by a vehicle. He was attempting to arrest the suspects that were inside the vehicle.
Police Officer Kevin Curtis Crayon
Cincinnati Police Division
Ohio
End of Watch: Friday, September 1, 2000
Biographical Info
Age: 40
Tour of Duty: 4 yrs
Badge Number: P347
Incident Details
Cause of Death: Vehicular assault
Date of Incident: Friday, September 1, 2000
Weapon Used: Automobile
Suspect Info: Shot and killed by officer
Officer Crayon was killed after being dragged by a vehicle being driven by a juvenile.
Officer Crayon noticed the 12-year-old boy operating the vehicle in a parking lot of a convenience store and approached it. As he reached inside the vehicle in an attempt to take the keys out of the ignition, the suspect suddenly drove away, and dragged Officer Crayon alongside the vehicle.
In an attempt to save his own life, Officer Crayon shot the suspect once in the chest before being freed from the vehicle. However, Officer Crayon sustained massive head injuries and was pronounced dead at a local hospital. The suspect drove the vehicle to his parents' house where he collapsed and died.
Officer Crayon had been employed with the Cincinnati Police Division for four years, and is survived by three teenage children.
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