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Old 01-30-2003, 10:25 PM   #54
Sol's Eye
 
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Okay, first of all: Lucky, lay off the caffeine, man. Caffeine is your friend, but if you abuse it, it abuses you and makes your typing erratic. Settle down, and speak english.

GT40FIED, the arguement of evolution is going to go any farther than it has now. Both sides have become broken records. They try to argue the same things, and we offer the same refutations, only to spawn the same arguements all over again.

I am going to try one more time, to see if I can get you guys to at least consider this. wheresmylicense, long ago, there was only one creature. It was a breed of bacteria, or protozoa. Protozoa, I think. Anyway, since their structure was so simple, each minute change in gentic code produced massive change in form. Thus, since the initial structures were so simple, many different species evolved quickly. As structures became more complex, the changes were more subtle. But it is possible that in each generation, there were several mutations that proved beneficial. And some initial forms weren't exactly not beneficial so in one generation, it is possible that two new species were formed in addition to allowing the procreation of the original. Granted, the different in these species were so subtle as to not be noticed immediately, but there you have it. Evolution was a branching effect, each species splitting into several species as well as some continuing procreation of the orginal. So many species evolved from one initial breed of microscopic organism. Or perhaps those first few strands of amino acids originally formed into several combinations to produce a number of starting organisms. I don't know, I wasn't there. But the point is, that we have real world proof that suggests that evolution did happen.

The bible cannot be used as fact, because it cannot be proven as fact. The bible is a book. Written by men, for men. It is not a guide to creation, life, and the ways of the world. It is just a book. Just as you continue to emphasize that evolution is a theory, you need to realize that the bible is nothing more than that either. Just as we don't have difinitive proof that evolution did occur, neither can you prove that ANY event in the bible actually happened. Or if you can, they were events so historically vague that they could apply to anything. I am not denying that there are some historical references in the bible, I am saying that none of them prove there is a god, or that the developmental process described in the bible actually happened. It is no less of a theory than evolution. And we have more evidence to support evolution than you do from the bible. We have data from hundreds of countries all around the world that didn't colaborate on experiments and all came to the same results. We have real world evidence, fossils, dating methods, and historical records to base our theories of evolution on. You have one book. One. And one that was written 5,000 years ago by the equivelant of cavemen. I would rather say my decendants were monkies than base the theory of my existence on that.

Lastly, from what I can manage to interpret from lucky's post, where he is saying that evolutionists agree with christians, the only thing they agreed on is that there was a central point of the creation of the universe. Comparing the Big Bang to the moment when god said "let there be stuff, and there was stuff." However, that really isn't any kind of agreement, but rather just a parallel belief.

In closing, I am going to reiterate what GT40FIED said. This is a suggestion. Just think about it. Instead of interpreting this as an attack on your beliefs that you must defend yourself from, just consider it. wheresmylicense has brought up some good points, but mixed in with a lot of reiterations. Think about it for a while, and come back with questions or refutations that are derrived from previous statements, instead of repeating things already said. I would really like to see the discussion of evolution and theology go a lot farther, but that won't happen if it gets bogged down in techinicalities or redundancies. Like repeating over and over again that "it is just a theory." News flash boys, everything is just a theory. Your existence is only a theory. And the worst part is, you are the only one that believes that theory.

Peace.
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