vote GT40 for pres.. his motto, dont do shit until the bombs are droppin on your doorstep.

Wow...you never cease to amaze me by missing my point entirely AZ. I'm not whining...merely stating my opinion. I don't think we've ever had a justified reason for invading Iraq or any other country for that matter. If the citizens of a given country want change, they can effect it. It's not our job to do so. As for "dont do shit until the bombs are droppin on your doorstep", you're soooooo far off from the message of that video. I swear, sometimes you display the kind of intelligence that makes me wonder if you know the difference between a sneeze and a wet fart. In that video clip, not long after 5 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq, our "president" (and I use that word lightly) makes light of not finding any of the supposed WMDs that he was so damned sure were there. It's a funny thing...read HERE and you'll see that before 9/11 people refuted claims that Iraq had such weapons. But of course afterwards we were so damned sure they had them. Go figure. I'm not about waiting until bombs are "falling on your doorstep" as you so misguidedly put it. But I'd like to see some credible intelligence that displays that an enemy is a clear danger to US before we go in and bomb the shit out of them. North Korea is perhaps the ONLY country in the world that poses a significant direct threat to us and we've taken such threats with a grain of salt. I don't see Saddam (even if he were still in power) launching any sort of weapon that has the capabilities to target the U.S. directly. Therefore he MUST pose the greatest threat of all. Oh...and he's got oil. That too. If you don't feel at least a little bit lied to by the current administration then you're a fucking dolt. They lied so you would feel a need to attack a country that has absolutely no capabilities of harming us directly. Once again, as for harming us indirectly, that threat is not deminished by our presence there, only magnified. I know, I know....it's in your blood to disagree with everything I say, but trite remarks belittle us all.

So you think that society has been lied to about our reasoning for being over here?

In large part, yes. We tried to sell this same package to the rest of the world and for the most part they laughed at us. Granted, the weapons weren't the only reason the prez had for going in, but it was the biggest one. No weapons equals no threat which equals zero justification. If these weapons were such a big threat why weren't we in there in the 80's when we KNEW he had them and was using them or after the gulf conflict when we KNEW he was using them. All we had this time were some grainy B&W photos from space that show what was definitely possibly a problem. So yeah, I think in large part we've all been lied to, whether we believed the lie or not.

I'm done with this thread.........

Yup.......

Indeed...same here.

I know that I've got two more years left and I am considering getting out....going back to school and be my own boss...

You do realize that EOD Tech is a B billet right?