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V8killimports 09-23-2002 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by AzCivic


They weren't just lopy cams, and they sounded like crap. Nothin like watching a car go by thats so loud you have to cover your ears and then see it get a low 13, when judging from the sound of it, should've ran a 10. Face it, muscle cars are not super cars and they all just don't run low 12's like its nothing.


Sigh.. you really don'y know anything about power do you? They had their mufflers uncorked and were running open.. that's why it was so loud.. yes it is loud.. I can't even stand it when I do it.. but it's worth it for another 20 or so hp. Sounded like crap??? lol ..you're right..not nearly as good as those coffee can exhaust you prob have.. rofl

AzCivic 09-23-2002 10:59 PM

What the hell did IIIII type! IIIII said stock, he came back with " well I see muscle cars run 11's all the time" so what! Unless he's referring to what I just said, who gives a rats ass.

ChrisCantSkate 09-23-2002 11:00 PM

the boss429 is a stock production engine.... but it was built like the 11 second cars i see run.... please.. your not connecting the most obvious points... its like a performance upgrade package... but provided by ford before you buy the car.. like saying a lingenfiller(sp) c5 corvette is stock.. as far as a stock lingenfiller goes... but its much faster... and that package is from a different company. look at the z06... its an upgraded c5, now imagine an all out upgrade

V8killimports 09-23-2002 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by 4thGenlude
the boss429 is a stock production engine.... but it was built like the 11 second cars i see run.... please.. your not connecting the most obvious points... its like a performance upgrade package... but provided by ford before you buy the car.. like saying a lingenfiller(sp) c5 corvette is stock.. as far as a stock lingenfiller goes... but its much faster... and that package is from a different company. look at the z06... its an upgraded c5, now imagine an all out upgrade

What 4thgenlude said... he's got it.. and they didn't make 300,000 of these cars.. they either made 299 of 499 I forget which..

AzCivic 09-23-2002 11:22 PM

I really don't care all that much if this car can run 11's or not, it just sounded unbelievable so i looked it up on the internet, and couldn't find anything that even hinted that the car was that fast, so I started a little argument seeing how i was just sitting at work doing nothing. But now I'm tired of talking about it. If it is that fast Great! Ford actually did something right. If it isn't that fast, oh well I don't care any more. Lets move on to something else.

V8killimports 09-23-2002 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by AzCivic
But now I'm tired of talking about it. If it is that fast Great! Ford actually did something right. If it isn't that fast, oh well I don't care any more. Lets move on to something else.

You forget about the 427 cobra that runs 12.2 easily.. That's a ford too..

AzCivic 09-23-2002 11:42 PM

Was the whole car Ford or just the engine?

V8killimports 09-23-2002 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by AzCivic
Was the whole car Ford or just the engine?

It was a shelby.. as in shelby mustang? The ford motor is what put it in the 12s anyways..

AzCivic 09-24-2002 12:03 AM

Or was it the fact that it hardly weighed anything?

V8killimports 09-24-2002 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by AzCivic
Or was it the fact that it hardly weighed anything?

You keep dancing around the fact these cars are fast.. I am done with this thread..

Racing Rice 09-24-2002 11:11 AM

Here are a couple more.

# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH/ENGINE
1 1997 Viper GTS 12.05@116 V10
2 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427
3 1990 ZR1 Corvette 12.80@113.8 350
4 1966 L72 Corvette 12.80@112 427
5 1969 Roadrunner 12.91@111.8 440
6 1997 Hurst/Firebird 12.99@103.11 350

Also keep in mind.. Climate, track conditions, etc. affects 1/4 mile times.

AzCivic 09-24-2002 08:11 PM

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml


HMMMM, the BOSS 429 runs what???

V8killimports 09-24-2002 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by AzCivic
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml


HMMMM, the BOSS 429 runs what???


Man, the internet runs your life doesn't it? How sad.. Let's see.. you have shown me different places on the internet that says anywhere from high 14s to 13s now.. And if you pay attention, I have told you that there was a single carb and dual carb 429. The single carb was the more streetable cam, less carb, etc motor. The dual carb being unstreetable.. you know what a carb is right? what about a cam?

AzCivic 09-24-2002 08:26 PM

The diference in times was a whopping .5 sec, or 14.1-13.6
Just keep living in your dream world.
So an extra carb and little wilder cam can drop 2 sec's off your ET???
And why are you so afraid of the internet? Did you watch "The Matrix" one too many times???

V8killimports 09-24-2002 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by AzCivic
The diference in times was a whopping .5 sec, or 14.1-13.6
Just keep living in your dream world.
So an extra carb and little wilder cam can drop 2 sec's off your ET???
And why are you so afraid of the internet? Did you watch "The Matrix" one too many times???


You know nothing about engines I see. Where do you get 2 seconds? But yes, 2 large carbs (2 1050 cfm carbs) and a radical cam can easily shave major time off... you don't know jack about V8s. Don't try to pretend you do. Camshafts are the brain of the engine, and the carbs are the heart... 2 most important pieces in an engine.. mismatched they cam make a car run like ass... properly matched and tuned they can make a car scream.

drdingo21 09-24-2002 09:03 PM

man a new cam a carb will take 2 seconds off my times in truck?!?! time for an upgrade! no really it doesn't

Kyle 09-24-2002 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by V8killimports


You know nothing about engines I see. Where do you get 2 seconds? But yes, 2 large carbs (2 1050 cfm carbs) and a radical cam can easily shave major time off... you don't know jack about V8s. Don't try to pretend you do. Camshafts are the brain of the engine, and the carbs are the heart... 2 most important pieces in an engine.. mismatched they cam make a car run like ass... properly matched and tuned they can make a car scream.

didn't you say you were done with this thread?...shut up already...we don't care

V8killimports 09-24-2002 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by drdingo21
man a new cam a carb will take 2 seconds off my times in truck?!?! time for an upgrade! no really it doesn't
The cam has to match the intake manifold, which has to match the flow on the heads, which has to be backed by a higher compression ratio. More overall flow needs more air from larger or another carb. Go here and read a little about motors.. http://ls1tech.com/ Look at the internal section.. MINOR head porting and a new cam took a LS1 camaro from 305 rwhp to 415 rwhp. 2 seconds? Maybe not.. depends on the car.. but who said anything about 2 seconds anyways? YOU said 13.6 - ONE second = 12.6 which = 12s in the quarter.. and mobbo, I am trying to explain something to him.. arguing somewhat civilized.. yet once again you poke you fat head in here and add your usual amount of brilliance.

drdingo21 09-24-2002 10:12 PM

oh yea how about **** you,its my thread you pice of shit, i was merely saying what he said you ****ing worthless bastard. its not my fault your a stupid pice of shit, and what do you mean with my usual amout of brillance. i ve post in maybe 2 threads with you in there. not to metion your post wasn't there when i posted mine so i didn't see yours. you know you don't have to be an asshole all the time.

V8killimports 09-24-2002 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by drdingo21
oh yea how about **** you,its my thread you pice of shit, i was merely saying what he said you ****ing worthless bastard. its not my fault your a stupid pice of shit, and what do you mean with my usual amout of brillance. i ve post in maybe 2 threads with you in there.

ROFL.. I was talking about mobbo..not you

drdingo21 09-24-2002 10:16 PM

oh... well then i fell bad : ( sorry :)

ChrisCantSkate 09-24-2002 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Mobbo

didn't you say you were done with this thread?...shut up already...we don't care

keep personal attacks to yourself

ChrisCantSkate 09-24-2002 10:21 PM

honda guys should know.. a fully built motor can run 13's.. but tnue it and it is 12's.. c'mon guys.. its not jsut the mods done to the engine but the proper tuning as well. its like mis-matching a intercooler or a turbo.. or hell.. even cams on you car. if you jsut add "better" ones then you'll gain a little.. but if you add the best ones for the application you need.. and tune it, then your going to pick up ALOT more hp.

on a side note: 415whp.. i'd hate to see the gigantic tq number that thing is putting out

AzCivic 09-24-2002 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by V8killimports

The cam has to match the intake manifold, which has to match the flow on the heads, which has to be backed by a higher compression ratio. More overall flow needs more air from larger or another carb. Go here and read a little about motors.. http://ls1tech.com/ Look at the internal section.. MINOR head porting and a new cam took a LS1 camaro from 305 rwhp to 415 rwhp. 2 seconds? Maybe not.. depends on the car.. but who said anything about 2 seconds anyways? YOU said 13.6 - ONE second = 12.6 which = 12s in the quarter.. and mobbo, I am trying to explain something to him.. arguing somewhat civilized.. yet once again you poke you fat head in here and add your usual amount of brilliance.


The mysterious 2 seconds came from an earlier post that had a link to a 1/4 mile time which was a 13.6 and your argument being that the car (supposedly) came with the option of dual carbs and a wilder cam, and I went out on a limb and thought you were saying that the time came from a car that DIDN'T have those options.

So lets get to the basics: You say the BOSS 429 can run 11's stock. You also say the Shelby Cobra can run low 12's.
I'm sure the Cobra makes as much if not MORE power than the BOSS. And as YOU said it runs low 12's, which makes sense since the car weight in at around 2500lbs(about the weight of a damn civic!) While the BOSS weighs in at a hefty 3500lbs if not more. But yet according to YOU the BOSS can run 11's and the cobra low 12's. I guess that extra half a ton helped out the BOSS in some magical way???
Another link from the scary internet, be careful: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/D...7/Boss429.html

Niacin 09-24-2002 10:53 PM

NASCAR. Also known as the Hillbilly Lottery. "Stock" cars, with nothing in common with production cars but the names only, driven by superstar "athletes" with beer bellies and severe halitosis, chase each other around a circle track, which smells heavily of mayonnaise based salads. All the excitement of greyhounds darting after the rabbit at your local dog track, with the exception that the greyhounds sometime explode, much to the enjoyment of the crowd. Beer is also served, much to the enjoyment of the crowd.

Recommended methods of watching NASCAR: Watch the first turn for all the glorious esplosions, then watch Bea Arthur in the Golden Girls or whatever else is on the Lifetime Network. Randomly pick a winner, and be prepared to discuss the most audacious esplosions tomorrow, as well as what Dale would have done with Darryl, Darryl, Darryl and Darryl at the Pick and Pull Used Parts Lot.

Max

ChrisCantSkate 09-24-2002 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by AzCivic
A full second huh? Well I didn't know that slicks could take THAT much time off you ET. If they can, then I agree it shouldn't be too hard to get a car in the 11's if they can run high 12's on street tires. I guess you learn something new everyday.
right there you admit to it running 12's.. which he is saying it does.
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Originally posted by V8killimports
Dunno... I am cool..you are getting too excited though.. the car runs low 12s with street tires.. 11s with cheater slicks. Then we agree then...
there he says it runs 12's

will you give it up already... or post exactly what you want to know.. not a essay on a tangent of this topic..

AzCivic 09-24-2002 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by 4thGenlude

right there you admit to it running 12's.. which he is saying it does.

there he says it runs 12's

will you give it up already... or post exactly what you want to know.. not a essay on a tangent of this topic..


Perhaps you read my post too quickly...I said IF a car runs 12's and IF slicks can take a second off your ET then the car should be able to run 11's. Where's the part where I "admit" that it runs 12's?????????

ChrisCantSkate 09-24-2002 11:38 PM

im done waisting my breath... im only gonna reply if i see fit.. im done trying to talk logicaly

V8killimports 09-25-2002 12:22 AM

Ok AzCivic.. I dunno about the cobra hp, but the boss429 was written as 375. I can tell you that is wrong.. ford did it so they sould simply sell the car. Actual hp was speculated somewhere in the neighborhood of 600+. I think the cobra was somewhere around 400.. not sure though.. this thread is too long.. I am done for good with this thread... I don't even care anyone what the goddamn thing runs.. I know what mine runs and that's what's important...


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