I have a 95 neon brought new from the dealer in 95, fast foward to today, the neon got bad brakes (leaky wheel and master cylinders), replaced rack and pionion, paint starting to chip off the body, headlight starting to fog up because its cheap plastic and it cause 200+ each at the dealer for replacement (holy sh!t), Replaced Cat converter, and the PS pump is making noises now.

and my 91 Prelude, not thing wrong with it except the AC nob in the console fell off.

There are some good things about the neon, The stock stereo is awsome compare to other stock units, the sheet metal seems very thick.

also the neon suspension is ass compare to my prelude, may be because I am compare to a sports car... Working under the hood is an ass also, every thing is so cramped together, changing the light bulb is out of the question if you have big hands...

some economy car does make it to the classics, the 60's Ford Falcon is an example, I love classic cars.

I dont hate neons, I have one, It was good when it was new, but afte all these cocky neon owners show up here flaming, I am starting to change my view.

dollar for dollar compare to some of the imports, the quality of the neon is piss poor. Yeah it have lots of hosepower, but what good does it do if the wheels falls off....

hahaha so true man:pfft:
they wouldn't hold up to you..hahaha...nevermind..with $4000 I would be hella fast also

I never said my method would be the cheapest. My goal is to have an all motor car in the low to mid 12's when I run at sea level. It'd take alot more than 4k to get a prelude even with an h22 to get into the same time bracket with only engine mods and pump gas and be a reliable daily driver while still paying for "family sedan" insurance. No forced induction, no nitrous oxide just internal bolt on parts. I don't think I'm being cocky. If you think I am because of these posts then okay ;)

$4000= turbo kit, cams, new head gasket. that would be 12 seconds, cause i can run 12psi then on pump gas safly. dont say family sedan crap man, keep the argument fair. you cant "own all our hondas" but exclude me cause i have a sports coupe.civic owners know they dont have the fastest cars on earth, and they modify them to be faster. owning a neon i'd think you would have a bit more knowladge of how slow cars can be made fast. you are proving to me that you dont. just remeber as fast as you wana make your car, for the same money, mine will be faster.

This is about the stupidest argument i've seen. My neon is better. NO my Honda is better. Who gives a ****.

On a side note: Neons look gay.

hahahahaha....

:bow: :bandit: :cigar:

What I don't understand is why you're all bent out of shape over the argument in the first place. Why am I a moron for A. Owning a neon. B. wanting to make an all motor 12 second car. I never wanted to exclude your prelude from the whole bit. What I am saying is that when comparing a compact sedan (civic) to a compact sedan (neon). The neon walks all over the competition at each and every level of competition. Also the neons could give a very good run for the money on much more expensive cars, such as: The Prelude (comparing the same years) and the mustang and the camaro and a myriad of other cars, sometimes costing up to $10,000 more. Neons were designed from the beginning from Chrysler to do 2 things. 1. Be the roomiest affordable compact car in the market. 2. Be a serious contender for the scca grassroots road racing segment. Both of which have done very well. The Civic on the other hand was designed to be a fairly inexpensive compact commuter car that only became popular because of the fuel crunch of the mid 70's. The accord CVCC appeard in 1976 and I beleive the civic CVCC appeared in 1977. They boasted mpg ratings of over 46mpg and 68hp My 150hp expresso gets 46mpg with all the modifications I've done to it (which isn't much) What I find hilarious is that some of you folks can't stomach the facts and retort with "X cars are/look gay" then have the rest of the ones who are ignorant say "yah they do!" 4thgenlude, you're one of the few (from what Ive read so far) have a decent head on your shoulders and don't seem to spout off tons of ignorant garbage. What about your time slips and modifications to your car? I'd like to know. best e.t.?

Look at the first neon guy that post here, it is he who call us moron.


and here it is...

Looks to me he was calling one person a moron. Do you speak like that for real or are you being sarcastic?

We all know what civics and neons were made for. Who cares. You've beat some civics, I've beat some neons. Good for both of us.

Man.i never thought i would get s*** on for just saying I beat a neon..my bad.....p.s. I thought this was HONDAstyle.com....not NEONstyle.com?!? PERIOD

it shouldn't be that hard to understand why they would get upset.

i think you included me. i have nothign against you, nor anyone else how is in the car scene for tuning a car. but coming on here with a 14.9 second neon(which i will say is very fast from what ive seen at my track for those mods) saying you own all our hondas where thats what my car can run bone stock, you cant expect me to defend my car. i have more bolt ons than you do, and my car will probobly outhandle yours. i'd relly be interested in seeing your time slips of 12's with 4000 in engine work, cause thats ALOT of speed to get in a full interior all motor neon.

This thread is crackin me up.

Accord17, thanks for the " Killed a neon fruit" title. You've seemed to successfully piss off every Neon owner.:o

Neons are the American equivelant to Civics. Face it. Neither are sports cars or were intended to be. But I think that's part of the fun. You can't compare a Neon to a Prelude. They aren't in the same class. Preludes are sport coupes.

Ahh.. Anyhow. Carry on with the pointless arguing.:cigar:

Quoting Motor Trend (which is partially owned by General Motors) They did some tests of the neon on a skidpad,

Do you honestly think that a neon can give either a WRX or a Fbody a run for their money?

Dumb dee dumb dumb dumb.....(thread that is..i'm relaly sorry)

Well, given that the writers for an internationally recognized automotive magazine owned by the largest automaker in the world are professional drivers, and every single one of us here (including myself) are not. I would trust their reporting a bit more than the predominantly ignorant comments of the participants of this or any other forum, (including myself). There are several internationally recognized authorities in the automotive publication world (and I'm sorry, SCC and Honda tuning aren't among that group) that have done articles on the performance ability of the neon. Magazines such as Motor Trend, Car & Driver, and Hot Rod magazine. None of which would have given a FWD compact the time of day. Keep in mind that the neon was first to be covered from that segment. GM got all in a tizzy over Len Ayalas 10 second street legal neon that they answered back with their ecotec monstrosity. It only took a budget of $43,000 to get that 4 banger into the 8's. Len Ayala about 9 grand, and alot of it his own money. Next?

im done with this thread, you continue to ignore any posts that you are wrong in. welcome to the board, and hopefully we can see eye to eye in another thread. a neon will not beat a WRX or a ws6 in a rally, road course or 1/4 mile or even hold the same numbers as the WRX on the skid pad, so that slolom time proves what? if it does please tell me, i am actualy asking

This is so funny. The guy who said Neons own at every level. hav you checked the NHRA Sport Compact results lately?????
August 9-10
these are the winners in Turbo Magazine December 2002 Vol 18 no. 12

All motor Rx7 10.54@125
All motor Rx7 11.64@115 What no Neons

Street Tire Supra 9.46@153
Street Tire Supra Broke Oh man no neons here either darn

Hot Rod Civic 11.46@83
Hot Rod Civic Broke I thought the neons could have one that one

Modified Civic 8.41@173(Mr. Papadakis)
Modified Cavalier 8.41@173 Wow an american car

Pro Duttweiler Cougar 8.45@179
Pro Venom Tundra 8.66@146

Pro V8 Turbonetics Celica 7.16@195
Pro V8 Cougar 7.99@175

hmmm seems the neons did not place and this is the top level
I think its stupid of all neon people to come to a honda board and try to defen your cars. Its our board go to your own board. This is just pointless and you just ned to mind your own businuess and the main thing thats horrilbel about neons is those stupid bubble headlights. AHHHH If they got rid of those damn things the car wouldnt be so bad. Its just so dumb looking.

Has anyone seen "bubble boy"...i haven't but i think he drives a neon? jfwy

Nice Kill, I hate stupid neons. They are ugly and slow.

Want to hear something funney?

At my friends autobody there was a 2003 neon in the shop for something stupid. Anyways, I poped the hood and the first thing i noticed was the PLASTIC INTAKE MANIFOLD. LOL

Only reason to hate a neon is because you've been beaten by them over and over again. It's a composite intake manifold which is lighter than metal and for just plain ol' every day usage it's fine.

1st gen...

2nd gen

Now here's an engine bay of a neon with an aluminum intake manifold. Wanna hear something funny? You can't spell. :pfft:

wanna see something even funnier? Heres a Honda engine bay with even more plastic.

that honda engine that you're makin fun, or comparing, will put on many more miles than that chrysler engine

Is that the Odyssey or Passport, CRV Engine???? I know its not any of the hondas that you compare your neon too. But hey wheres your comback about the saying how neons own in all areas of competition. I think I shut you up about that one.

Oh wait, you're right, I did forget.


Now call me nuts, but I don't see any hondas out there (that don't have the one piece front clip or 100% tube chassis) that are in the same time frames Mod for mod, neons dominate, there's your book, now buy it
:bow:

mod for mod? is this a new type of racing? i always thought he who can build the better car wins? regardless of how it is achived

wow that impressive numbers....i wonder how many mil. he put into it...;) :crazy: :eek: lol

lock for the sake of humanity.

btw... (L) Tom Fujita ('87 Honda Civic) 0.608 11.613 118.35
thats a 16 year old civic racing practically new neons.

By that do you mean millions?

Uh no. Nice try though :crazy:

They're in the same class by the rules set forth by the governing body. Just because he's running an 87 style platform doesn't mean he's running an '87 engine.

Name: Tom Fujita
Team: Team Portflow
Class: All Motor
Hometown: Carson, Calif.
Birthdate: Nov.12, 1964
Car: 1984 Honda CRX
Engine: B18A DOHC VTEC

Now I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the class that these 2 are running in are dohc all motor classes under 2.5l


Well, in that case John Force has us all beat. That's why there are classes. I love how some of you Honda guys love to throw distractions around as cannon fodder when someone like myself post up these results as a bit of a reality check. One reason 4thgen why they even have classes is to keep the technology progressing for any given avenue of automotive aftermarket. (i.e. the sport compact market) see these guys are real drag racers in the real world. None of these ricer math people with mostly hand me down cars from mom and dad doing ricer fly bys. The reason I even came into this forum (other than a bit of fun by distributing in a mostly respectful way, some factual tidbits of information) is just to see where a certain discussion would take me. Now I never said that Honda was crap, I just see a whole lot of Honda people at the track that I run at, running sub 20 second 1/4 miles thinking they're the baddest people in the world. I'm just a sucker for heated debate :yes: :wave:

SOOOOOOOOO what are you trying to prove? That gay looking neons can be fast? Anyone who's in the sport compact scene knows that any car can be made fast.

Nope, I've just proven that most Honda people resort to calling another car gay or another car *insert pre-pubecent insult here*

Actually you've proved that you have nothing better to do than go into a Honda forum and start shit.
I'm not calling your car gay, it IS gay. No self respecting man would drive one.

ROFL okay whatever, if you say so. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Oh and btw, what is a Civic Exa?

A Civic that came with all wheel disc brakes and ABS.

oh cool. :rambo:

Plastic covers. Not plastic critical parts. Just a note.

Okay, let's run off of your logic, addict. Those plastic covers, what do they do? Dress up the engine bay? Make it look pretty? The intake manifold does nothing but direct filtered air (preferably cool air) into the combustion chamber. It doesn't have to be an alloy. Although one thing does puzzle me about most FWD traverse mounted I4's. Why is the exhaust manifold in the front of the engine? When someone does an upgrade to an engine, the idea is to make the engine work less to expel exhaust gasses right? So with the design of (I think) all Honda fwd traverse mounted engines, the exhaust manifold comes out of the front of the engine and then goes underneath the block. This is (IMAO) a poor design. I then saw Tom Fujitas Civic with a tube frame and oh look, they mounted the engine longitude. That's not how they come from the factory (mount wise) I wonder how that made the transmission work, or did that have to be custom made too? Now look at the Scott Mohler car that is now using a stock 3 speed neon automatic transmission with nothing changed but a high stall torque converter. Oh that's right, Honda people don't like the word torque. It's something they don't know and understand. It's also something that most Hondas don't have (e.g. Civic Si 160hp and 111 ft. lbs. torque) If anyone can spin a motor fast enough, the hp numbers can be manipulated. Torque is the best determination of how well an engine performs overall. For example. A Ford powerstroke V8 diesel has higher a higher horsepower rating than a Dodge Cummins I6 diesel. Why? The powerstroke spins faster and has a larger displacement 7.3l to 5.9l But when you look on the road to see whats actually pulling more. It's Cummins I6's Why? Better delivery of torque. If you say this example doesn't apply to the compact segment, I'm sorry, you're truly mistaken. Torque (don't forget traction) is what gets you out of the hole in a launch. 90% of most races in a professional setting are lost and won in the first 330 feet.

The covers protect the engine and make it look pretty. Nothing worng with that. You don't think an intake manifold is critical then? Dunno about Neons, but Civics have a throttle body mounted to it. I don't want that on a piece of plastic. Not to mention if you ever decided to go direct port nitrous, you'd be tapping into plastic for your nozzles. Not good.
Kinda funny how you seem to drift from on topic to another.:D I doubt theres a huge difference in having the exhaust manifold in the front or in the rear. Not gonna argue with you on it becuase I don't have solid proof.
Lol. You apprently didn't look under my name. Lemme quote it for you "Torque? What's that?". Yeah I know Hondas are notorious for low torque. That's not to say that they are slow though. Granted torque gets you off the line, but somewhere down that line you need the HP.
Bah. Who cares about trucks. I wouldn't be caight dead in either of those diesel monsters. Just my preference though. Now maybe the new Dodge SRT that has the Viper's motor. But that's a different class of truck.

Well first off it's not plastic, it's a composite, just as strong as an alloy but lighter. And if you do go nitrous, then the nozzles can be mounted just about anywhere. Trust me, I've seen some wacky combinations. And your comment about the torque, at least you have enough knowledge to agree that torque gets you out of the hole, however, by the time your hp catches up, the 1320 is already over. An intake manifold isn't terribly critical for everyday driving, that's why the R/T and ACR neons have an aluminum one (as shown) and all the DOHC neons for the 1st gen have them as well, for higher performance, and someone is more likely to modify an ACR or R/T then say an ES neon. Even some of the early SOHC neons came with a cast aluminum manifold. And the neons as well have the throttle body attached to the manifold. The manifold doesn't move, why would it be critical then? Need proof that the exhaust manifold in front is not a wonderful idea? Imagine an engine as an air pump. The more efficiently air is inducted, then expelled, the more power you can create. So in looking at a Honda engine, the exhaust is in the front, this makes the expelled gasses have to travel farther and with more bends. More bends, slow the air down creating additional backpressure. Too much backpressure is a bad thing, too little is also bad. Another point. The catalytic converter is located very close to the intake system on a Honda, that means hotter air, and as we all know, Cooler air combusts better. Neon: air is taken in at the front, the intake manifold is also at the front, and the exhaust is to the rear. This is one of the many reasons the 420a is a better design then a good majority of Honda engines that are powerplants in the same classes. It's just logic. Think about it :yes: Oh and as far as drifting from one topic to another, I use examples to back up what I state as opposed to letting emotion control what I state. *car* is gay! okay I feel better now.

Ill tell you whats gay.. Arguing about a bunch of economy cars.. Thats whats the gayest thing in this thread.

I say if you have something to prove take it to the track and stop posting stupid sh!t.

Any Sport Compact can be made fast. For god sakes Ive seen a Festiva run low 13s.. Cant we all just get along? Sport Compact is a sport that should be enjoyable. Im so tired of hear hondas are faster the Dodges, V8s are faster then 4 Cylinders.

Lets face it there will always be someone out there thats faster then you or me. :rolleyes:

Its usually the person with the newest technology and the most money to put into it.:o

Well not true. I stated direct port nitrous. The nozzles are mounted into the intake runners themselves.


Plastic also retains heat better than metals. Meaning the intake charge will be hotter.
The intake manifold itself doesn't move. The engine does. Granted the composite is probably strong enough to take the jolts.
Still not buying it. The cat is not located near the intake on Civics.

The intake very far from the cat. The cat is located around underneath the floorboards.

i about fell out of my chair on that one. you think the 420a is better than a b-serise or h-serise? befor i comment i want your answer

By that I mean power producers. Higher HP/Torque. It's well known that Honda makes a reliable engine, that's not the discussion, the discussion is power. Yes, I think that the 420a can generate more power than a b series engine.

That's never a good argument. With money any engine can produce alot of power.

How/can i close this thread or lock it??

You have to be a moderator...why do you want it closed/locked??

btw, I see you started this thread, if you want it closed, I'll close it for you........just let me know.

just FYI someone i talk to in VA has a friend that has a b16 hatch with 512fwhp and is street driven, full interior and ran a 11.3 with 305fwhp