BDC,
I understand and respect your opinion on the new Civic. However, simply becuase it does not appeal to you, does not mean it is a shitbox. In actuallity, it is a very nice car. It just does not meet your expectations.

Dezoris,
I am not saying that faster is better. What I am saying is that no matter what you buy, people are going to wonder what the hell you were thinking. Just like BDC is saying anyone who modifies one is making a mistake, there are people saying the same about you.

My debate here is simple, while the Civic is not what it used to be as far, and in fact a different car, it is not a shitbox. It appeals to many people. You say that sales have gone down on it, I would like to remind you that sales on almost every car has gone down. That is a direct reflection of the economy. The Civic has its market, and for its market, it is a great car.


Oh yeah, BDC thanks for quoting me in your signature.

Ok, enough said.
They killed everything that made it a sucess, and are riding on its name to make sales. They now have a more solid chassis, and nicer interior accomodations, something you can get in other cars for cheaper.

So basically, the Civic is good for you — and the environment — and it’s no fun. It won’t get you noticed. That’s why I think it’s only average and gave it two out of four stars. I'm not trying to get noticed, but apparently you are with you talking about your HX with an exhaust. I have a subtle body kit and wheels on my car, I don't think that is trying to get noticed. Not only that I have had critics about the new civic, and they were very respectful when critiquing my car, just as I were to them about their car. And there is a difference in being respectful with comments and just plainly not having any tact in what your comments are about. LIke I said before everyone has opinions and a right to be voiced and to be respected, just the same as myself and James. I'm not trying to be noticed, I just wanted to buy the most dependable, affordable everyday car. But if you don't like my car or anyone else that has the new civic then say what you have to and don't be disrespectful about it. No one is making you buy the car or drive the car or pay for the car, so get over if you don't like. I know I get up in the mornings to go to work to pay for my car and I get tired of people like you saying that my car is a "girliegirl shitbox". Just because you don't like the civic doesn't mean that the car is a piece of shit or it is bad or that it should be taken off the market. If the car sales Honda will continue to make it, just the same as any other car manufacturer.

The new Civic is a girly car? And what the old one isn't than, right?
So your belief is that they changed the Civic from a formula-1 race car to economy car? No bud, it's the same it's always been, an economy car. Are you that dissillusioned? Do you think you own a race car? The new Civic no longer stands out? You mean, stand out like the 40 million 6th gens? Gee, I never see any of those around. I think that your reason for bashing the 7th gen stems to a larger problem in your life. Look at how upset you get over a car you don't even have. Pathetic.

I gotta agree...the reason why is because...When I was 16 and the new rich girl pulled up in her civic hatch I heard soooo many comments about why would anyone want that car....its just a chick car. Well I got news for you...it may have always been a chick car and always will be. No matter what...it's a dope car, and always will be. People have to realize that in today's market. All cars are changing. (eg. Mustang 5.0 going to a 4.6L) Everyone is downsizing. No matter what. I still like em. And other people may not...oh well.:rolleyes:

i think we need to stop bashing on the new civics. especially since we have people in hondasytle that owns it. I mean i seen some your rides and i personally thought that it was Whacked but i didn't say anything. LEts not talk Smack in here. FOr I come in PEace....

You guys have to defend it, you own it you pay for it, but the truth is, it will never perform as well as the previous gen(s).

Its engine, (2k1, 2k2 have the the VTEC-E system, which BDC can run down quite well) The suspesnion, is not geared for major modification, and I can prove this to you!!

We all know what is better about it, in many ways it is, but its over all capabilities are limited, due to its design. It is more a economy/compact car than it ever has been. I agree Honda has always designed it this way, but during the previous gen design, the import scene was not like it was today, and in many ways, which I have read reports that Honda wanted to eliminate the cars capabilities for engine swaps and other mods with the design of the 7th gen, this was not something they ever had to do before. This is the point, the car has been "dumbed down" unlike previous generations, for many reasons, mainly money.

Come on now. No flaming. Just take a deep breath.........:cool: :bandit: :cool:

BAH! BAH! Black Sheep, Have You Any Wool ???
 

This is the biggest farce of all. The EX and HX have always had the same amount of power. A stock HX can easily beat a stock EX in a race because of its' lighter weight, but sheeple still insist the EX makes more HP; Honda says so...

Well, get this! The 2001/2002 CiViC EX's now come from the factory with HX motors under the hood, and they STILL claim the EX makes more power. Are ppl really this dumb?

Re: BAH! BAH! Black Sheep, Have You Any Wool ???
 

Why are they still quoting different power ratings between the 2 now????

We knew the difference between the 6th gen HX/EX in the valvetrain, but now there is none? right?

If there is none then you have your victory!!!!!! True fudging!!
There was some argument before (for minor technical reasons)
but not now

For the 7th gen civic, the HX and EX motors are the same. The difference is the gear ratio. Although I don't know the specifics, I have talked to other 7th gen owners with EX's and this is what I've found. In 5th gear, going 80mph in an EX, rpm's are @4000.
For the HX, in 5th gear @80mph, my rpm's are @3000. Lower rpm's=better gas mileage that the HX is famous for. So I think that the difference lies in the gear ratio/transmission. Also, the downpipe, headers, and exhaust are different.

Honda rates the cars HP not at the wheels, so how would this effect HP

You should feel challenged to take these cars and make them really faster. Honda does not build cars for us to mod.

Which is true.

I also gotta say that you have to take the new civic for what it's worth. Do you think that in 1992 when they released the new civic that they had B18c5 engine swap kits in mind. Or were going to release and sell a million f**king after market parts a day to make these things faster. NO. They made them for economy cars. Not for young guy's and gurls to put big wings on the back and body kits on. So i just say deal with it...enjoy the car....and wait for newer better products to be released for us to make them fast.
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Lets all face it...Honda is just trying to get away from the image they are begining to get. They no longer make a nice car as far as IM concerned, other than the 2 door accord for another year. You cant blame them....there is much more profit to be made with shitty "mom mobiles"

My big Question is how the F*CK did you become a Moderator ???

I Mean Come on !!! Your Basicly Saying I bought a Girlie Car and have issues... ????

WTF are you thinking... LOOK AT THE REST OF THE CARS ON THE MARKET !!!! I spent the Longest time deciding on my 02 Civic Coupe HX. It was either that or the Mitsu Mirage, but the Civic has more aftermarket parts, better gas milage and A sportier Image... Yes it's NOT A SPORTS car... But i can't afford a sports car just yet. It's still nice looking and it still can be tweeked out the arse. Your upset because it's 500lbs heavier and they use the same chassis as thier Minivan. Big Deal that Smart production. I think the Big wigs at Honda have a Little bit more Book Knowledge, Experience, and probably a lot more personality than YOU.

SO If you DONT LIKE MY CIVIC DON'T MOD MY FORUM!!!

I'm sorry I haven't read the rest of the 5 pages of post.. this comment just really pissed me off.

Ok I read the whole 5 pages of BDC trashing my Car.

I still say GET a GRIP... Don't Trash Me, I didn't come here for it. If you wanna say the 01-02 Civic has a worse Body Chasis then just F-ing say it. But get a life, someone buying a NEW car isn't going investigate Honda's Whole History of Vechiles and decide to get a USED one just so they can have Double wish bone suspension.

Bottom line is Just state your Case. Dont Call me a Moron, when all you can do is quote people writing articles for newspapers.
And if you Continue to act like an As$Hole please post up those instructions on how to add you to the ignore list... I'm new here .

Ignore list- It's in your user CP

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