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sounds good, from this day on i'm not gonna argue about this type of thing, it really is a waste of time.
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really? So tell me. How fast does your D run? does it run a low 12 too??? Come on lets see some time slips. |
honestly, what difference does it mean how fast a car goes in a straight line? If cars were meant to do that, they wouldnt have steering wheels, now would they?
Sorry, I just think that kind of crap is dumb |
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too bad u didnt include the engine work in with the price of the turbo kit. We all know that the stock D wont even come close to handling 262 WHP. As far as your H series power Civic. Well obviously it was on street tires. Not on drag radials like your D. Your comparison is flawed. A little bit more fair comparison would be nice. I can make a B18B seem faster than the C5 if I wanted to. So please. |
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I like good handling cars as much as the next person. Unfortunately we are talking about ET's here. We just had a bit of a disagreement. I was curious how fast his D was since (its way better than engine swaps). I wanted to see if he could back up what he was saying thats all. |
does it say i have anything like a turbo or nitrous in my sig, didnt think so.
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my d is slow.....at a measly 16.7, nearly stock, one of the rim was not balanced right, 3 different sets of tires, and it was a first time at the tracks...so if i didn't have all those variables i prolly would have ran 16.5...still slow :paranoid: oh well, a nicely tuned turboD is on its way :cool:
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since this thread is about D Power, this might be of interest...
http://turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=5371 and his website: http://www.geocities.com/boostsohfast/ |
ok...13.1 d series on streets
13.9 h series on streets that was the comparison i stated...the d on slicks was 12.6 and the internals upgrade were minor, the only thing that was done that wasn't included in the 3700 was an upgraded ferrea valvetrain, cost 900. so 4600, for a low 13 second car. i think the comparison is very fair. turbo d vs. na H, same driver, almost the same cars with very similar suspensions, it's about as close as you can get |
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hello!!!!! the D series was on drag radials!! the H series was obviously on a normal street tire (not on drag radials). Still way off. A bone stock H22A1 (190 HP version) on slicks runs a 13.4. On drag radials they run prolly somewhere very close to that bone stock. U talk about variables, and differences, but u throw in variables to make the D series seem advantageous in this point. Atleast when I compared them I used similar instances, as well as thought about similar suspension and tire set ups. Not to mention I dont have an S14 I can borrow parts off of. Im sure not many other people do either. |
ohh yeah one more thing. Initially in this post we started off with a 283 FHP D series. I said that it would break 12's if it were lucky and most likely low 13's. Well given that u have 14 percent drivetrain loss u are looking at 243 WHP. still 19 HP below your turbo D. Your turbo D's best was 13.1's. Granted its not on slicks but on a 13 second car its not a huge difference between slicks and drag radials. Obviously there are alot of other variables here, but comparing the two I see somewhere in the low 13's on 243 WHP to be a good educated guess, like I said previously.
The only thing I was saying that I can get an H22 faster for cheaper than the amount that the turbo D that started this post did. I still believe that. As u have proved though that u can go faster for cheaper than that guy did. Definately give u props on getting a D into the low 13's. No doubt. Now its in the 12's which is impressive (obviously more mods, or more boost was done, but still impressive). |
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my point exactly. When u do turbo your car, and find out how hard it is to get a car into the 12's just come back and talk to me. Then u will have atleast an understanding of what it takes. |
not everyone CARES to get a car in the 12's...
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cause you have all the answers right? :rolleyes: |
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You know you would race your car if it had a GSR motor - you would piss on d's and love it. |
actually, i probably wouldnt
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Well, dont knock it till you've tried it. IMO, hondas are not performance cars. They are not supposed to be put through the twisties or dragraced - which is exactly why we make them do it . . . |
certain motors (ie the b18 and b16's) were designed to be that though - twisties i mean
none of them are straightline monsters...who would want them to be? |
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so Honda didn't design the B18C5 to be a track monster or the NSX or the S2000?:confused: |
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I was reffering to OUR hondas |
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i stand corrected, i was assuming something else in my head when thinking about this. i think the H was running on some hankooks or kumhos. |
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of course not. I dont have all the answers. I only claim that I have some understanding of what it takes. |
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well obviously azcivic does. Or he wouldnt be arguing. This post is about making a D fast (obviously). The single most performance aspect that people look at is the quarter mile when it comes to making more power out of a car. ok, well if not everone cares (sounds like including u), then I suggest u and anyone else who doesnt care not to click on your left mouse button to select this post. This is a free country and u can do what u want. OMG I dont select posts I am not interested in. Whats the problem? |
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exactly! Believe it or not Hondas are a poor mans car in Japan (excluding the NSX). They arent really liked too much by performance enthusiasts. Why would they when they have the Skylines, and Silvias, and other cars to play with. How do I know this u ask? I spent a bit of time in Japan. |
yeah, we get the shitty version of the cars that they make overseas.... :no:
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America always tries to make something out of nothing, look at those building Geo Metros and Suzuki Swifts..........wtf.
D series power, I'm there, where do I sign??? 197whp, 2 years, 12psi, ALL stock internals, got a lunch box full of B's.....................anyone want one.................. |
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