View Full Version : Civic vs Neon (Big Surprise)
richmclaren
08-31-2002, 02:25 AM
First off, no offense to any Neon owners out there, but I think they're gross. Secondly, this story shows them in a good light, but it happened to my ex-boyfriend so that's why it's funny.
My ex drives a 2000 Civic EX. He hasn't done much to it except for an intake and exhaust. (He claims he has a DC header (is it plural: headers? I really don't know, this subject makes me feel inadequate) but I and all of our friends know he doesn't.) He pulls up next to a Neon that's all "riced" out. I mean it was HORRIBLY done. Anyway, my ex revs up his engine and so does the other driver. When the light turns green, he pulls out in front. But not for long. After a few "zip zip zip's," that TURBO Neon laid him out. I laughed when I found out.
accordboy00
08-31-2002, 03:18 AM
header.....
4-bangers=1 header
V6's =2 headers
Ex Civics are pretty slow. Neons are extremely ugly, especially the older ones. Have you ever put you ex to shame in your integ?
Grip72
08-31-2002, 03:46 AM
I hate Neons sooo much..the old ones, the new ones and the future ones!!
delsolvtec
08-31-2002, 10:11 AM
considering Dodge is coming out with the Neon SRT-4 that's putting out a turbo charged 205hp I wouldnt count neons out as a serious competitor just yet. :)
richmclaren
08-31-2002, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by accordboy00
header.....
4-bangers=1 header
V6's =2 headers
Ex Civics are pretty slow. Neons are extremely ugly, especially the older ones. Have you ever put you ex to shame in your integ?
Thanks for the clarification. I just always heard it said in the plural form but wasn't sure if that was right.
HAHA...I whooped his ass twice. (We only raced two times.) After that, he refused to race me anymore AND he made up excuses for it. ("You had a head start" or "I wasn't ready yet.") If anything, I gave HIM a head start in the first race. The night after I beat him, he went and begged his parents for a Celica GTS...he never got it.
And to follow up on delsolvtec's post, my friend in Germany raced a Neon RT and he said it was pretty damn fast!
Addict
09-02-2002, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by delsolvtec
considering Dodge is coming out with the Neon SRT-4 that's putting out a turbo charged 205hp I wouldnt count neons out as a serious competitor just yet. :)
Nope not at all.
I don't like the looks of them particularly, but I'm not gonna slam them..
monkut
09-02-2002, 06:38 PM
they're still unsure of what the final hp output will be on the srt-4 but ive heard as high as 225 and now for the first time, as low as 205. maybe its final now, im not sure though.
Violent Apathy
09-04-2002, 11:40 PM
wouldn't call the civic losing a big surprise. sure neons suck, but civics really aren't much better.
richmclaren
09-05-2002, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by TheBaconKing
wouldn't call the civic losing a big surprise. sure neons suck, but civics really aren't much better.
I meant the neon's turbo was the "big surprise," not the fact that the Civic lost.
blind34_1
09-07-2002, 08:31 PM
That is rather surprising. The most I would expect inside a riced out neon would be a fart pipe and one of those no name intakes from autozone. Oh yeah, btw I think your ex has the wrong idea. If you lose against someone, dont just go out and buy a new car to boost your ego, improve the one you have.
richmclaren
09-08-2002, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by blind34_1
Oh yeah, btw I think your ex has the wrong idea. If you lose against someone, dont just go out and buy a new car to boost your ego, improve the one you have.
Yeah, that's what everyone told him. He eventually decided to drop in a GSR motor and turbo it. We were all like, "Yeah, and with what means? Your MOM wouldn't let you put on the carbon fiber hood that you already bought. How old are you now? You're in college?" He could've fooled us.
I'm sorry, I'm ranting. I'll stop.
mt.biker
09-08-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by TheBaconKing
wouldn't call the civic losing a big surprise. sure neons suck, but civics really aren't much better.
amen to that!
Originally posted by accordboy00
header.....
4-bangers=1 header
V6's =2 headers
I know it's header but I like to call them headers anyone else with me? or it might just be cuase I drive a V8 and I got use it to.
mt.biker
09-08-2002, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by abc
I know it's header but I like to call them headers anyone else with me? or it might just be cuase I drive a V8 and I got use it to.
what do you drive?
94 camaro Z28.. All stock.
ebpda9
09-08-2002, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by abc
I know it's header but I like to call them headers anyone else with me?
same here. sometimes i refer to them as headers, even thou it's only one
Just seems more "right" you know what i'm sayin'?
ebpda9
09-08-2002, 11:36 PM
YUP
Yeah a little off topic, but alot of people think there is only import and domestic people, And they keep forgetting about the group inbetween. Like me. I'm not domestic nor import, i'm a car guy.
Addict
09-08-2002, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by abc
i'm a car guy.
:yes:
Yep, I'm with you on that one.
ebpda9
09-08-2002, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by abc
i'm a car guy.
same here but somewhat i'm biased towards accords even they are slower than dirt
Figured you would be. I can't stand it when import people say domestic are wrong, and domestic people say import people are wrong... Neither one is wrong, American cars have there pros and cons, as do imports... I currently own a American car, but that don't mean I wouldn't buy a imported car. My car has alot of low end torque. But it can't rev as high, cuase of long stokes, and higher displacement. Oh and poor gas milage. Not bad usly above 20 mph (depending on my driving) but not 33 like some imports. My next car might be a new S2000. Or used Corvette C5. I've always wanted a Vette sence I was a kid, but S2000 arn't bad.
accord's arn't bad my cousin' owned one. Never drove it but the looks 'n such.
ebpda9
09-08-2002, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by abc
Figured you would be. I can't stand it when import people say domestic are wrong, and domestic people say import people are wrong... Neither one is wrong, American cars have there pros and cons, as do imports... I currently own a American car, but that don't mean I wouldn't buy a imported car. My car has alot of low end torque. But it can't rev as high, cuase of long stokes, and higher displacement. Oh and poor gas milage. Not bad usly above 20 mph (depending on my driving) but not 33 like some imports. My next car might be a new S2000. Or used Corvette C5. I've always wanted a Vette sence I was a kit, but S2000 arn't bad.
i'm not saying that i talk crap about other cars. i really like a nice car, or one that is done right. what upsets me most is when ppl are talking crap about other cars without having any knowledge about the subject.
ShEaNy
09-09-2002, 12:11 AM
yea im a car guy to...i like em all..and just like hondamaniac...im biased towards accords....
'00EX5-turbo
09-09-2002, 12:27 AM
u r good, man. u should have a talk with a guy named v8killimport here in the forum. he doesnt respect cars and he trash talk cars. i hope everybody has the kind of understanding u have.:)
Yes I think there should be more people like me. And i'm guessing you too.
94_AcCoRd_EX
09-09-2002, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by abc
I'm not domestic nor import, i'm a car guy.
AMEN. Glad to have you around the forums :bow:
Glad to be here, I'm also on vtec.net forum. Some good people over there.
Racing Rice
09-10-2002, 12:49 PM
Im a gearhead... If its got tires I like it.. ;) :yes:
I dont see any car as, just a car.. I see every car as potential to be something better then it came from factory. Im a sick person, but Id drive a Chevettes if I could get one. Especially if I could get ahold of a BB to drop in it!:cool:
VR4_Craver
09-15-2002, 05:12 PM
I cant beleive the general consensus here. Sure Civic EX arent the fastest but i wont belive that a neon beat one until i seen one do it. I have seen several Civics race with Camaro's and win for a while but once the sheer engine size makes up the difference then the civic goes down. But i am still yet to see a Neon give a Camaro a run for its money.
ShEaNy
09-15-2002, 05:31 PM
ive seen a civic beat a viper on video..was it digitally altered...i have no idea.. but thats what i call fast.. neons have potential ALL cars do...u never know what people do to there engine till u get beat...
fastasfoggy
09-15-2002, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by richmclaren
to my ex-boyfriend so that's why it's funny.
My ex drives a 2000 Civic EX. Anyway, my ex revs up his engine and so does the other driver.
so youre not seeing anyone?
Originally posted by VR4_Craver
I cant beleive the general consensus here. Sure Civic EX arent the fastest but i wont belive that a neon beat one until i seen one do it. I have seen several Civics race with Camaro's and win for a while but once the sheer engine size makes up the difference then the civic goes down. But i am still yet to see a Neon give a Camaro a run for its money.
the neon was turbo...or did i read wrong?...:rolleyes:
richmclaren
09-16-2002, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by fastasfoggy
so youre not seeing anyone?
Ha Ha! :D No, I am not seeing anyone right now.
And Mobbo: Yes, you read it right, the Neon had a turbo.
I've never seen a Turbo neon... And i've never seen a turbo civic.. I think an Integra had a turbo, but I couldn't rice him... I was on E driving to the gas station. And if case no one knew camaro's don't get good gas milage... even more so when you're racing one. And good thing I didn't race him I just made it.
crxb16hybrid
09-17-2002, 10:02 AM
Not to say I like neons but theres this kat at the track that runs mid to high 8s in his .......(the 8s are in an 1/8 mile ) but the car is pretty dam fast and its a sedan...Also he wont tell what he has in the thing .....You never see the hood open ....I know hes gotta shot on it but thats the only thing we have been able to confirm......Oh well the thing is still ugly....:D
Yeah thats quick, what about 10-11 in the 1/4? I would guess a turbo, a nice turbo. maybe even 2 of them. My car runs in the mids 14s (AIC), I not sure about the 1/8 i've never raced it... I have no clue where the closest truck is... If any one knows tell me I live near Albany, N.Y. (Upstate NY)....
And always remember his car is a ugly ass compact family sedan.
Addict
09-18-2002, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by abc
And always remember his car is a ugly ass compact family sedan.
lol:D
Racing Rice
09-18-2002, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by abc
I've never seen a Turbo neon... And i've never seen a turbo civic..
Dont get out much huh..:D *just playin*
Ive seen turbo neons and civics. Both can be very quick if they are setup right.
As for a stock Civic vs. a stock neon. Depending on the model of the neon and the driver a neon could easily take a civic. Stock civics are slow.
2001 Neon R/T:
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 150 @ 6500
Torque (lb-feet @ rpm): 135 @ 4400
0 - 60 Acceleration (sec): 7.6
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 15.8
1995 Neon Sport:
Horsepower: 150 hp
Torque: 131 ft-lbs.
Weight: 2448 lbs.
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 7.9sec
Honda Civic EX:
Horsepower: 127 hp
Torque: 107 ft-lbs.
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 9.5 sec.
Weight: 2513 lbs
In no way am I saying I prefer a Neon over a civic. But its very possible that a stock civic will lose to a stock Neon.
ebpda9
09-18-2002, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by abc
And always remember his car is a ugly ass compact family sedan.
you do not be dissing my favorite muscle car jfwy. :eek: :paranoid: :crazy: :o
ChrisCantSkate
09-18-2002, 01:57 PM
mid to high 8's should be about mid 13's in the 1/4 a 9.0 1/4 would be about 14.0 13.9
Originally posted by Racing Rice
Dont get out much huh..:D *just playin*
I don't know whats with people around here, they *TRY* to make their car look fast, but I would say 99.9% of the time the're not. I've did some of my learning how to drive on a stock civic (1994 Sedan don't remember trim level) Fairly new at the time, And the rest on my mom's prix. Out of the two I would take the civic, the prix was damn ugly, and altought more power then the civic. But neither one of them even compare to my Z28.
fastasfoggy
09-19-2002, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by abc
I don't know whats with people around here, they *TRY* to make their car look fast, but I would say 99.9% of the time the're not. I've did some of my learning how to drive on a stock civic (1994 Sedan don't remember trim level) Fairly new at the time, And the rest on my mom's prix. Out of the two I would take the civic, the prix was damn ugly, and altought more power then the civic. But neither one of them even compare to my Z28.
thats interesting tell me more
ebpda9
09-19-2002, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by fastasfoggy
thats interesting tell me more
are you gonna start bashing him now ? his car is pretty nice andhe can beat a civic with 2 k in engine mods. the car has some potential, even if it does not look as good (personal oppinion)
Racing Rice
09-20-2002, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by abc
Out of the two I would take the civic, the prix was damn ugly, and altought more power then the civic. But neither one of them even compare to my Z28.
Yeah, civics are great cars to drive, but not always a whole lot of fun. Z's (or most V8 sports cars) for that matter have this enormous fun rating to them.
I used to drive my friends GTA all the time because it wasnt running right. It would stall out and stuff, so he hated it. But when it did run.. What a blast.. You just cant slide a FWD car sideways done the street just by mashing the gas..:D
Originally posted by fastasfoggy
thats interesting tell me more
Well Lets not guess here maybe he isn't trying to diss my car, maybe he really wants to know more... Well first off my car even tough hp rating is a bit low, (compared to other cars today)..
Horsepower: 275 hp @ 5000 rpm
Torque: 325 ft-lbs @ 2000 rpm
This car has LOTS of very low end torque.
Some car makers go for hp and hp:litre. and some go for low end torque, both have their upsides. low end torque helps over come drag when accelerating and getting weight moving, (where it's need most). but poor gasmilage. higher hp from less litre, first off helps sell cars, alot of hp and good gas milage. Accelerating usly isn't as good depending on the weight of the car. and after the weight gets moving it can get to higher speed.
I'm sure if you look into this you can find out me...
Anything wrong? correct me.
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 09:16 AM
Yeah but you can do donuts in reverse .......Now thats fun....Besides how many V8 are there that you can stand on it threw a corner and not even slide.....V8s can be fun for somthings but imports can be just as fun when your runnig 60 to 70 mph threw turns on a mountain....Thats like I love to go mudding in my freinds jeep but I wouldnt bash a import cause of the fact I cant take my ride threw the mud......So the argument can swing both ways and both cars have there beniffets weateher it be fish tailing threw a turn or pulling a few gs threw a cornner.....Its all good I love them both ...
TY
Racing Rice
09-20-2002, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by crxb16hybrid
...So the argument can swing both ways and both cars have there beniffets weateher it be fish tailing threw a turn or pulling a few gs threw a cornner.....Its all good I love them both ...
TY
Your right both have thier pluses. I guess Im just tired of the 4 cylinder power that the civic puts out. I want something with some torque! Itd probably help a little if I T/Ced or S/Ced my car, but I just cant see putting $5K in my civic to make it kinda fast. Thats just me tho. I love the way it handles, but the lowend sucks!:rolleyes:
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 09:41 AM
True ....I would love to build a big block but then again I dont want to dump 5 to 10 k only to be replacing somthing else the next week....If I win the lottery then watch out ill build be a top fuel car...haha
Originally posted by crxb16hybrid
Besides how many V8 are there that you can stand on it threw a corner and not even slide..
Alot of them can... Handling has to do alot more then weight... A corvette for example can out handle a civic, and alot of other imports. Just using these as example I know it's not fair to compare them. And my car can out handle a civic too. Not sure what else havn't really looked into. and I havn't drove too many imports.
Originally posted by crxb16hybrid
True ....I would love to build a big block but then again I dont want to dump 5 to 10 k only to be replacing somthing else the next week....If I win the lottery then watch out ill build be a top fuel car...haha
hmm. What are you gona put a big block in? (Big block over 400 cid right?)
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 10:23 AM
You got me there Im not much on motors when it comes to V8s But Ive always wanted to build a street rod with a big block....The only car I have ever owned that was a V8 was a 1964 impala ss with the 327 in it .....Now when the time comes I will do my research and decide on weather to build a big block or small block........Most kids I know that run V8s always tell me to build a big block if im gonna do it ....Who knows I might not even go that road next I might go ahead and build a nice rotary rocket....Dont know till I come to that fork....Right now my main priority is finishing my import......
fastasfoggy
09-20-2002, 10:55 AM
i was just teasing abc...and one of the best handling cars is the bmw m3..rwd mind you...usually cars you can just stand on the throttle and turn isnt really racing...just standing on it sounds like it doenst take skill...m3 yum
I've never drove a BMW, m3s are sweet, but cost way too much.
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 11:04 AM
Okay double clutching and down shiffting what ever it takes to make it sound like driving for you...lol my point being is MOST not all rear wheel drive cars cant get on it coming threw turns ....Im not trying to talk about what kind of skill is needed to drive in corners....Im just saying if you take a z28 for example and come into a cornner and punch it coming out your car most likely is gonna brake loose and youll end up spinnig around ....Just my personal exsperience...
TY
Racing Rice
09-20-2002, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by crxb16hybrid
....Just my personal exsperience...
TY
Did you read the article back several months ago when SCC did the course test on the Mustang GT and the Integra TypeR? The mustang beat the TypeR in the little less curvey course, but the Type R won on the more curvey track (barely.)
Check the article out. Its called Unlikely Contenders II.
http://www.itr1220.com/library.htm
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by crxb16hybrid
my point being is MOST not all rear wheel drive cars cant get on it coming threw turns ....
TY
I read that article but like I said MOST NOT ALL V8S....
Racing Rice
09-20-2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by crxb16hybrid
I read that article but like I said MOST NOT ALL V8S....
I know, I just thought it was a good article for the current discussion.. :D ;)
I was thinking of getting a 94 or so Integra (not Type-R) more so as a winter car, and winter car when gas milage matters, like when the weather gets hot, and gas prices sky rocket. I live in NY so for the most part it don't get too hot. and Gas prices are usly stable, but not always at times i've seen upper $1.70s (93 octane) Any one know the min. octane rating for the GS-R? and how much boost can they handle stock?
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 01:12 PM
OH I know Im not tryin to be a dick or anything Im just saying that most rear wheel drive cars tend to loose it when coming out of the corners....I used to drive an 90 somthing mustang 5.0 my moms owned and every time I would come out of the corners I would loose it and it was an automattic .....I dont know I gess im just a crappy driver when it comes to rear whell cars...lmao
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 01:17 PM
I definetlly agree on that Im more of a chevy kinda guy when it comes to Domestics.....
FORD=:pukey
CHEVY=:bow:
Yeah I would rather push my chevy, then drive a ford.
crxb16hybrid
09-20-2002, 01:25 PM
I would rather push my K swiss than drive a ford.....:D
fastasfoggy
09-20-2002, 02:10 PM
i think i know what you mean crx...a friend of my brothers had a couple chevys that he bored out and all that...since i was driving an mr2 at the time i said just for fun...how does it handle? he just laughed and said if he turned to fast hed just spin around....
ford has made one of the best racer sports car of the century too..gt40? but thats just imo.
fastasfoggy
09-20-2002, 02:11 PM
and that same kids dad had a grand sport corvette that im guessing could handle hehe
yeah corvette handles good, but the car is over 53,000.. You get what you pay for. And also has the Z-51 package (Z06? option? dunno) and active handling. and lower ride hight then most cars.
crxb16hybrid
09-21-2002, 10:47 AM
No matter what I still love my go cart of a honda....Its fun as hell to drive...
I've drove a civic befor, I don't see what is so fun about it. Seemed like a basic compact car that my grandmother would drive. Altought my grandmother don't drive, i've seen people around her age drivin' one befor.
Addict
09-22-2002, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by abc
I've drove a civic befor, I don't see what is so fun about it. Seemed like a basic compact car that my grandmother would drive. Altought my grandmother don't drive, i've seen people around her age drivin' one befor.
Well they are economy cars. What model/year did you drive?
Yeah I understand their economy cars. Great gas milage and fairly cheap. But I hear in the TV, Radio and honda's site. "The fun to drive Civic", sence when are encomy cars "fun!" to drive? I rejoy drivin' but how is the civic set ahead of any other car in it's class, or any other for that matter..
The latest one I drove was a 1998 1.6 Single cam, single cam profile. sedan, I don't remember trim level.
Addict
09-22-2002, 11:30 AM
I love driving my Civic. While the LX/DX models are all that perky, the Si is. I had an EX prior to this. This car is alot more fun to drive.
Guess its just all in preferences.......:cool:
Addict
09-22-2002, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by abc
Is it a high-rev engine?
Well 8200RPM is the redline...... Is that considered high? ;)
Yeah I would call anything that peaks HP over 7 grand high. 6 & 5 grand mid and anything lower is low-rev and I would guess only in a truck/SUV.
boostedrs97
09-24-2002, 12:29 PM
Hey!!! Wait a minute!!! I have the same powerplant as that neon, does that make me a neon? If so, then I guess I am a Mitsubishi Neon Eclipse RS-T? :no: :yes: :no: :yes:
Addict
09-24-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by boostedrs97
Hey!!! Wait a minute!!! I have the same powerplant as that neon, does that make me a neon? If so, then I guess I am a Mitsubishi Neon Eclipse RS-T? :no: :yes: :no: :yes:
Hell of a car name. Trust me your car looks WAAAY better than a Neon ever could.
boostedrs97
09-24-2002, 12:55 PM
Thanks dood, I appreciate it. :wave:
Originally posted by boostedrs97
Hey!!! Wait a minute!!! I have the same powerplant as that neon, does that make me a neon? If so, then I guess I am a Mitsubishi Neon Eclipse RS-T? :no: :yes: :no: :yes:
Sence when?
Racing Rice
09-26-2002, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by abc
Sence when?
Since forever..
Seriously though.. The NA eclipse motors, and the neon motors are indeed the same motor. The GSX/GST motors are different.:yes:
Drunkalien
09-26-2002, 06:48 PM
Actually i think neons r pretty sweet and they have enough horses for you price taht you are paying.
VR4_Craver
09-26-2002, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by '00EX5-turbo
u r good, man. u should have a talk with a guy named v8killimport here in the forum. he doesnt respect cars and he trash talk cars. i hope everybody has the kind of understanding u have.:)
I dont think that it is v8killimports as much anymore since someone said he "wished your car would blow up with you in it" It's SVTCobra you have to watch out for...he gets off and talking shit about imports
Hehe, another one? Damn ford queers
SVT Cobra
09-26-2002, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by abc
Hehe, another one? Damn ford queers
uh ohhhhhhhhhhh :eek:
you ***s just had to mention me... why?
did i upset you that much?
ford queers? mullets and chevys go together hand in hand.
you're car is a rattle box and is the whole craftmanship of the car is poorly done. i read that you said you have 275hp, obviously an LT1. i do have respect for F-bodies though, as ugly as sin as they are. some nice power out of that dinosaur of an engine, but i could never put myself in one. cant see over that hood. bucket backseats? who wants to sit in those? the big hump for the catalytic converter... the awful 80's interior. the list goes on. Trans-Am's have a lot more style and i would chose one over a camaro anyday. but itd be an LS1. LT1s just dont cut it. this ford queer and his little 281 would give your big bad 350 quite a run for your money.
well look at this...to V8s going after each other....:D
Lol, I knew he'd reply. First off I don't have a mullet, and I live in NY, and never even seen one. And I was only ****ing around I don't have a problem with ford, my dad's first car was a 1966 Mustang Convertible, He got it in 1969, well befor I was born so i've never seen it. And my best friend drives a ford (Focus), lol. And I like trans-am, but just I just happin' to like the camaro more. And I like the 94 camaro more then the 94 trans am, and I'm not rich I can't afford a new camaro, else I would have one. And got my car cause I like it not to impress you or anyone else for that matter. And I would hope your car can beat me sence the only thing i've ever done to my car is clean it and drive it.
edited - spelling error
And if I do anything I'll get a S/C LS1 or a LS6, yes you're right the LT1 aint shit, but it came with the car.
And the main thing that I liked about the car was the T tops, better then a sun roof anyday.
that's cool....haven't seen many conversations from him...in case I didn't get a chance to say it before, welcome to HS abc!
Thanks i'm fairly new here. Mainly here to defend American cars, and make new friends maybe learn some things, and look at a shit load of ignorant people saying "My car is better! No my car is better!"
SVT Cobra
09-26-2002, 10:33 PM
i like t-tops. just that they leak. the sun roof was on my car when i bought it. i used to have a 95 gt convertible.... yea the vert is nicest on a warm summer night... but thats about it. the sun roof is a lot better i think. t-tops would be awesome on my car
I havn't had any problems with mine leaking, but I know the're known to leak, but I usly keep my car covered when I know it's gona rain. Convertibles are nice for a weekend But I wouldn't buy one, unless I had a spare car.
Originally posted by abc
Thanks i'm fairly new here. Mainly here to defend American cars, and make new friends maybe learn some things, and look at a shit load of ignorant people saying "My car is better! No my car is better!"
I'm sure you'll find a mix here of people that like and don't like American cars...I have no problem with any car...just some of the people that drive them....I'm partial to Hondas but I not going to sit here and bash American because of that....
oh, and I hope the only reason why you came here wasn't to get into pissing matches...I think we've already had our share of that...isn't that right SVT? :rolleyes:
SVT Cobra
09-26-2002, 10:48 PM
well enough for tonight. damn, its thirsty thursday and im home sick still. ive been sick for a week, so i have taken it out on hondas hahaha. goin to sleep, just took an oz. of nyquil.:pukey
Well I'm not here for any one reason, and none of from are pissing matches. People like that V8importkiller or w/e his name is, is a perfect example of people I just can't stand, I havn't read any of SVT's threads, so I couldn't comment on that.
Originally posted by abc
I havn't read any of SVT's threads, so I couldn't comment on that.
stick around long enough and you will.........
Ah ha, i've seen people like him IRL, like saying their ford is better cuase it's a ford?
ebpda9
09-26-2002, 11:11 PM
pretty much
Ok I've read somewhere in a post he said his car can do 0-60 in like 4 sec, but don't you think ford them selfs could do better?
and looks like he don't have any thing major besides the rear gears.
http://www.fordracing.com/parts/project/?flashcheck=1
fastasfoggy
09-26-2002, 11:46 PM
i went to that site and this is why i like fords over chevys...the company is involved in racing worldwide and in all kinds of forms. not just straight line mullet racing or dirt circle track mullet racing. they have cars winning in rally, formula racing, and have alot of mustangs in gt road racing, and all kinds of other racing out there. and hondas are the same, not just pumping the same shit out over and over.
:D finally...I non-Honda owner that's doesn't talk out of his ass....nice callin' SVT out.......:cool:
Ight chevy (GM) does much more then straight line racing. Chevy active races in NASCAR, Indy Racing League (IRL), National Hot Rod Association (NHRA), American Le Mans Series (ALMS), and street racing is for brianless queers. And I hope all those lame ass street racers goto jail for the rest of their life.
woah! the can of worms has been opened :paranoid:
fastasfoggy
09-26-2002, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by abc
Ight chevy (GM) does much more then straight line racing. Chevy active races in NASCAR, Indy Racing League (IRL), National Hot Rod Association (NHRA), American Le Mans Series (ALMS), and street racing is for brianless queers. And I hope all those lame ass street racers goto jail for the rest of their life.
how long has chevy been in lemans? since that is the only worldwide competition you just mentioned???? turn your 'cheap trick' 8track down i can hear it over here
Yeah I just can't stand street races. And it's funny how many people think it's "cool" cause people in a move do it! Well real people die. And I can't stand ignorant people who think chevy is only drag racing, are they blind?
Originally posted by fastasfoggy
how long has chevy been in lemans? since that is the only worldwide competition you just mentioned???? turn your 'cheap trick' 8track down i can hear it over here
I don't know, how long has honda?
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:05 AM
and i bet you dont race at all on the streets..even when some dumb import driving punk pulls up to you? yeah right
No I don't. I can care less. I think it's more fun/funny when they pull away at top speed and get pulled over. And yes i've seen it many times. And I never street race period EVER. Sure I drive fast, I've passed cars goin' over the speed limit. BUT I'M NOT A STEET RACER NOR WILL I EVER BE.
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:09 AM
Originally posted by abc
I don't know, how long has honda?
honda? who knows...but ford who i WAS talking about when it comes to domestic car companies branching out, has won lemans tons of times with cars that set sports cars standards like the GT40..i think won lemans like five times alone just in the sixties...and theyve been there since the early century. i know chevy has done alot in america but they really should try something else. i know they have the talent and engineering...and probably got lots of cash
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:12 AM
really its just cos this neck of a neighbor moved in across the street and hes out there primering his old camaro everyday, listening to foghat and playing air guitar while his rottweiler chases me to my honda...so next week ill like chevy
Oh and why is that? Thats funny ford you say the're into races. does it help their car sales? Prolly not. GM is the largest car company there is in the world. Why is that? Is it becuase of their Corvette C5-R? Their Caddy F1? Or is it becuase they have a 12 sec car (stock) that gets to 60 in less then 4 sec. And is in the 50k range? Much more likely. They sell alot of trucks. Is it becuase they have a race truck? Prolly not. It's cuase they have the longest lasting truck on the road. When (most) people buy cars they don't check to see if they win races they check how long they last.
Wait missing a few things most people also look for value, power/weight, among a few other things, not the company non-street legal $200,000+ cars.
When you got your car, did you check to see how honda was doing with their F1 car? Like oh shit they won! I better go buy a honda! I would guess no. More likely you got your civic, cuase civics are a good value, long lasting car, and gets great gas milage right?
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:19 AM
listen i dont know what 'prolly' means but GM and chevy are different..when you say GM thats like cheating, when i say ford i dont mean the Jaguar,since they own jaguar, i mean ford..as in everything that has a ford badge on it, like theyre rally cars, gt cars, formula ford cars, and everything else. and the longest lasting trucks in the world? thats just one of those bad commercials they put out.
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by abc
When you got your car, did you check to see how honda was doing with their F1 car? Like oh shit they won! I better go buy a honda! I would guess no. More likely you got your civic, cuase civics are a good value, long lasting car, and gets great gas milage right?
leave honda out of this ...ford and chevy...no GM, no Honda, just ford and dating girls that are HEAVY CHEVY just kidding.....and honda is shitty in f1 right now which is a bummer
Far from cheating GM splits up their sales into their divisions, That directly compete, for the most part ford does not.
The thing about Honda's F1 car isn't the point. I havn't checked into it. And Honda does have to do with it.
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by abc
Wait missing a few things most people also look for value, power/weight, among a few other things, not the company non-street legal $200,000+ cars.
i started this about racing cars which really dont worry about price, unless they wanna get beat...im just saying its nice to turn speedvision on and see ford racing in alot of different things, and doing well in alot of shit...i just recorded a show that had ford in the top six of a touring car race in england...
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by abc
Far from cheating GM splits up their sales into their divisions, That directly compete, for the most part ford does not.
Im way too tired but listen...ford enters more VARYING styles of racing then chevy does..not honda, not GM not yugo, Ford and chevy is what i first brought up, and i said honda too cos they race all kinds of stuff...but ford is my choice because of that. and that prick neighbor across the street
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by abc
The thing about Honda's F1 car isn't the point. I havn't checked into it. And Honda does have to do with it.
that is almost a contradiction but thats okay
Who cares about england? We're in america. Fords into racing GM/Chevy is into Car sales. Sure racing teachs car companies alot of things, but right now, it don't. Race cars havn't made much improvments that can be used a street car. Sure engines keep getting better and better. But nascars still use the same blocks as they did 20 years ago. but car companies have been trying things out in concept cars, not race cars. Good thing? I don't think so. But racing is too high-profile now, Chevy don't want to try out new things and hurt them
Your prick neighbor is just that. And you know there is honda and ford people the same way.
fastasfoggy
09-27-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by abc
Who cares about england? We're in america. Fords into racing GM/Chevy is into Car sales. Sure racing teachs car companies alot of things, but right now, it don't. Race cars havn't made much improvments that can be used a street car. Sure engines keep getting better and better. But nascars still use the same blocks as they did 20 years ago. but car companies have been trying things out in concept cars, not race cars. Good thing? I don't think so. But racing is too high-profile now, Chevy don't want to try out new things and hurt them
okayyyyyy...wasnt my whole point that ford branches out worldwide???? who cares about england? i do and so does ford and thats why theyre better, because chevy and their owners apparently come off as ignorant to the world around them. and its just because my neighbor is from council bluffs not the fact that its chevy or nothing over there
and why does chevy need to go out of their way? they have holden.
edit... and Opel, and i'm guess others too.
ebpda9
09-27-2002, 06:47 AM
and vauxhaul too ( opel RHD):D
SVT Cobra
09-27-2002, 07:04 AM
lol....
the ford vs. chevy battle is so pointless cuz both sides believe only what they want to.
has any of the three mustangs i had, rust? no
do they break down and die? no
if you want to look at sales, tell me who is ahead then?
who had to stop production of an entire line of cars?
pretty sure mustangs out sold camaros/trans ams 8 to 1 i believe.
chevy's solution to anything is throw in a pushrod 350.
ford evolved their company to fit needs of everyone.
they made a 4.6 to show that a smaller displacement with the right tuning can make just about as much power as the 350. its shame that ford doesnt use the 351 against the 350... the 351 would rape them. the friggin 5.4 in the cobra R is proof enough.
ford rather sell cars then try to have some macho "bigger engine. more hp contest". thats why they have the focus, svt devision, mustangs, gt40, etc. saying ford isnt as good as gm is crap. ford if anything, is better. these are just facts. i honestly dont give a shit.
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and again, what is so hard to believe that my car can hit 60 in the mid to high 4 second range. you act like i dont know how to drive. i want one of you to find some1 you know w/ a camaro or mustang w/ 4.10s or lower and tell me what you think of the acceleration.
Addict
09-27-2002, 07:25 AM
This thread is a waste of space on the server.
So off-topic............
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